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LA CROSSE, Wisc., Feb. 21, 2011 /Christian Newswire/ -- What's going on? Are all universally saved, after all? Did Richard Dawkins become a Christian? Did he… remain an atheist, and STILL go to heaven? Such questions leap to mind when presented with title of the newest short story collection released by author and Christian apologist Anthony Horvath: "Richard Dawkins, Antony Flew, and Mother Teresa Go to Heaven."

Written over a span of two years, these three short stories detail what happens as each of the individuals come face to face with the reality of life after death. From Mother Teresa, who devoted her life to God but felt abandoned by Him to Antony Flew who vowed to 'follow the evidence,' to Richard Dawkins, who with Bertrand Russell said, "Not enough evidence!" these stories draw from what is known publicly to imagine what would happen in this most private of moments.

The book is currently only available on Amazon Kindle and Barnes and Noble's Nook.

Author and apologist Anthony Horvath explains his purpose, "I have found that when I read stories their impact goes beyond the ideas they present. My whole being is stirred by them. That is why I also try to use stories. Antony Flew and Mother Teresa, of course, are deceased, but Richard Dawkins is still alive. I'd be interested to find out if he agrees with me on how he'd react when finally face to face with the Truth he was wrong about all along. I think that question is something we can all ponder, since even Christians will discover that there were points we misunderstood or were mistaken about. What will our response be?"

Horvath's apologetics ministry, Athanatos Christian Ministries, is unique in its attempt to use the arts and literature to make its case for Christianity along with more traditional methods of providing argument and evidence. From its annual Christian writing contests to its annual online apologetics conference featuring a defense of the family through film (keynote Gene E. Veith, with Jason Jones of "Bella" and Dallas Jenkins of "What If", and others), ACM attempts to engage the culture and call on other Christians to do the same.

"Let's face it," Horvath says, "People are moved as much by Story as they are by Evidence. And we've got the best Story in town."

Anthony Horvath, Christian Newswire 72 Comments [2/25/2011 4:40:54 AM]
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Zeus Almighty

"... we've got the best Story in town."

I always thought "The Iliad" was better. And the works of Shakespeare. And "The Inferno." And ... well lots of others.

But thanks for admitting that yours is make-believe too.

2/25/2011 8:12:50 AM

Pup

P.Z. Myers pretty much covered these this week on Pharyngula.

2/25/2011 8:26:04 AM



I beg to differ on your last statement, sunshine. I think that a) The Aubrey Maturin novels of CS Forester are far superior to your story, and b) just because I happen to think a story is entertaining, doesn't mean I think its actually real. Stat Wars is good, but I don't think the Jedi exist.

2/25/2011 8:35:42 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I don't really understand what this book is about, but doesn't Anthony Horvath think it's a bit unethical to use a person who is still alive in his fiction, if it will end with that person going to hell? Regardless, I don't really think this is a darndest thing. Not without more information on the book itself.

Also, why are apologists so obsessed with Antony Flew. Is he really the only notable atheist who converted to Christianity later in his life? If he's the only one, then their case is pathetic. (Not to mention that I've heard that he went senile late in his life, before his conversion. If that's the case, then the apologists are taking advantage of someone with a mental problem. Depraved, these fundies are.)

2/25/2011 9:03:49 AM

Xotan

'Athanatos' is a pretty close Greek rendering of 'Undead'. Horvath is a central European name... Hungarian,I think. Is this beginning to add up to a Vampire Church?

2/25/2011 9:10:19 AM

WWWWolf

> "Let's face it," Horvath says, "People are moved as much by Story as they are by Evidence. And we've got the best Story in town."

And if you repeat the Story loudly enough, it becomes the Evidence, right? Like that one German guy said, or something. Can't remember who.

2/25/2011 9:18:26 AM



I beg to differ on your last statement, sunshine. I think that a) The Aubrey Maturin novels of CS Forester are far superior to your story, and b) just because I happen to think a story is entertaining, doesn't mean I think its actually real. Stat Wars is good, but I don't think the Jedi exist.

2/25/2011 9:25:52 AM



Aubrey/Maturin of Patrick O'Brian, you mean. C S Forester was Horatio Hornblower (superior, imho).

2/25/2011 9:49:02 AM

breakerslion

Anon. @ 1260745:

Yes they do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHWX1dciOE

2/25/2011 10:00:25 AM

Atheissimo

"People are moved as much by Story as they are by Evidence. And we've got the best Story in town."

Translation:

''People are idiots and we've constructed the most ingenious idiot trap''

2/25/2011 11:48:37 AM

Osiris

"People are moved as much by Story as they are by Evidence. And we've got the best Story in town."
Stories are fucking stories. If you're dumb enough to be convinced by a fictional antidote then you're probably dumb enough to be a Christian.

2/25/2011 11:59:50 AM

praxagora

@Xotan

"'Athanatos' is a pretty close Greek rendering of 'Undead'. Horvath is a central European name... Hungarian,I think. Is this beginning to add up to a Vampire Church? "

Actually it means "undying" or "immortal". It is very common in classical Greek and paired with "god" ie: the "immortal gods" or "athanatoi theoi". (Apparently this site will not print unicode Greek lettering!)

Not that this makes this any less silly. If I'm going to read Christian propaganda I'll stick with Narnia, because at least Jesus is a lion in that one.

2/25/2011 12:00:37 PM

Angua

PZ Myers has been posting reviews of these over on Pharyungula. Anyone interested can go and read some excerpts there.

He's reviewed all three stories. Z already gave the url for PZ Myers's review of "Richard Dawkins Goes to Heaven," and while I'd like to thank him for doing so, I'm going provide links to all three reviews:

Mother Teresa Goes to Heaven:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/mother_teresa_goes_to_heaven.php

Anthony Flew Goes to Heaven:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/antony_flew_goes_to_heaven.php

Richard Dawkins Goes to Heaven:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/02/richard_dawkins_goes_to_heaven.php

2/25/2011 12:04:48 PM

Godbuster

"Horvath's apologetics ministry, Athanatos Christian Ministries, is unique in its attempt to use the arts and literature to make its case for Christianity along"

*cough* C.S. Lewis *cough cough*

2/25/2011 12:05:45 PM

Angua

@Godbuster

Yeah. That's a good point. However, it would almost be unfair for Horvath to mention CS Lewis because CS Lewis was in a class far and above Horvath. I don't think all that much of CS Lewis's apologetics -- the Liar, Lunatic, or Lord trilemma is about one of the least convincing arguments for anything I've ever come across. However, I still have fond memories of the Chronicles of Narnia (except for the seventh book -- as far as I am concerned, The Last Battle does not exist). I feel I can at least say that CS Lewis had some talent as a writer. He could tell a story that I could read and enjoy. Horvath does seem to be unique from CS Lewis in that he's uniquely bad.

Given the excerpts of the stories as on Pharyngula . . . I gotta say, that whatever talent CS Lewis had, Horvath lacks it entirely.

(And for those of you who are questioning whether this can be called "fundie" or "darndest" -- seriously, read the Pharyngula posts. I know that not everyone here is an atheist and even then not all atheists like PZ Myers. You can completely ignore his commentary for all I care, just look at the excerpts he pulls from the stories themselves if you want. I think that they definitely qualify, and it's just a pity we can't post the stories themselves on FSTDT.)

2/25/2011 12:16:39 PM

Allegory for Jesus

A non-illustrated Chick Tract that makes sure that Richard Dawkins, who goes to hell, is the ONLY one in the story who is actually still alive today, and which presents Antony Flew getting into Heaven just because he bought the argument from design (but didn't actually become Christian!)?

Yeah, forgive me for not forking over three of my hard-earned internet dollars for reading something that is better used as a replacement for syrup of ipecac.

2/25/2011 12:42:32 PM

The Dude

@Percy Q. Shunn:
DITTO.

2/25/2011 12:43:03 PM

John

... even Christians will discover that there were points we misunderstood or were mistaken about.

This happens all the time. They're called "former Christians". Finally one day they say "Wait a minute. You're telling me God changed His mind about the Curse of the Magic Fruit (CMF) and said 'OK, I'll tell you what: I’ll send down My son – who’s really Me in disguise – and let you torture Me to death, and that’ll reward Me for removing the CMF that was put on you by Me'? How does that make sense? If you had a grudge against someone for eating your favorite apple, would you demand that they nail your son to a cross to earn your forgiveness?"

"And then I'm supposed to communicate telepathically to God that I actually believe the guy who was nailed up was His Son, and that I accept the Son as my personal savior, even if God gives me cancer or wipes out my whole town with a tornado? And as long as I do that, get dunked in some water and don't support abortion rights, be a homosexual or vote for a Democrat, I go to heaven?"

"Sounds like baloney to me!"

2/25/2011 1:04:25 PM

Verminbane

"... we've got the best Story in town."
One may, in fact, even call it a cool story.

2/25/2011 1:10:52 PM

Berny

"Let's face it," Horvath says, "People are moved as much by Story as they are by Evidence. And we've got the best Story in town."

Meh, if by story you mean the Bible, it is mediocre at best. Hardly what I would call the "best story in town." I've read better by far with far fewer plot convolutions and contradictions.
As for your contention that people are moved as much by story as evidence, I put it to you that you have no evidence and what you have for story is bullshit.
I wouldn't waste the battery life on a Kindle to read your tripe.

2/25/2011 1:57:02 PM

katie5000

"I'd be interested to find out if he agrees with me on how he'd react when finally face to face with the Truth he was wrong about all along."

What despicable arrogance. Here is the main thing that I abhor about these types of people.

Other than that, this generally isn't that bad. Some guy wrote Christian fanfic. M'eh.

2/25/2011 2:00:59 PM

Karana

I find 'The Lord of the Rings' a moving story too, but that doesn't mean I think hobbits are real or pray to Gandalf as some sort of angel/saint.

P.S Your a dick for thinking that people deserve an eternity of torture because they simply do not believe in your lack-of-evidence deity.

2/25/2011 2:25:54 PM

The Jamo

Pffffft. If that's your best story then you seriously need to read more. Hell, if you're not even into reading, an average movie has a better story.

2/25/2011 2:29:10 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

Otherwise known as: "How much money can I make shoveling this horse shit into the crowd?"

2/25/2011 2:41:26 PM



If I'm going to read Christian propaganda I'll stick with Narnia, because at least Jesus is a lion in that one.


2/25/2011 2:53:24 PM
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