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[In response to P.Z. Myers saying he won't back down from his pro-choice position simply because he's shown a sign with an aborted fetus, because he's already seen blood and entrails while experimenting on/dissecting animals.]

It's probably a good thing he is an atheist without any moral standards, otherwise he might demonstrate at least a modicum of conscience for the bloody acts in which he appears to take such pride. And if he happened to take any sexual gratification from them as well, who can say it is wrong from his perspective, given his total lack of any moral or ethical code. If he feels no revulsion at looking at the pictures of butchered babies, then he likely feels no revulsion and sees only meat when looking at pictures of dead Jews and murdered Ukrainians as well. The awful thing is not that the pictures do not frighten him; they do not frighten me either. The awful thing is that he does not find them revolting like any normal human being with even a minimal amount of empathy would.

This is the naked face of atheism, ladies and gentlemen. Look on it well and remember it, because it usually doesn't dare to show its disgusting and anti-human nature so openly.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 70 Comments [3/27/2011 5:41:04 AM]
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My Gramps is an atheist. He became one after he witnessed first hand real inhumanity. Maybe it was when he was forced to stack those bodies of dead Jews. Maybe it was when his parents were shot in the street like dogs. Maybe it was when he was beaten with a spade for some imagined infraction. Or when he was contemplating eating things he wont even name because the hunger was so great. He doesn't like to talk about it really, it still makes him cry. Perhaps Vox Day and his ignoramus commenters can explain to Gramps why good Christian men were responsible for him being the only resident of his village that survived the war? They should also point out exactly how abortions can be equated to the horrors of genocide. Then they can tell him that he is in possession of a disgusting and anti-human nature. After all that, they can DIAF.

3/28/2011 1:05:15 AM

Pup

I'm not sure he actually said anything you've just claimed he did.

3/28/2011 3:04:16 AM



so when you see pictures of dead people from capital punishment does it repulse you and do you want to stop it or are you just another immoral satanist who likes death?

3/28/2011 3:45:47 AM

Mister Spak

This is the naked face of fundieism. ladies and gentlemen. Look on it well and remember it, because it usually doesn't dare show its retarded and anti-science nature so openly. But for your convenience we collect these examples and display them on FSTDT.net.

3/28/2011 4:53:58 AM

nutbunny

And if he happened to take any sexual gratification from them as well, who can say it is wrong from his perspective, given his total lack of any moral or ethical code.

Does the thought of using aborted fetuses as sex toys cross your mind often?

3/28/2011 6:40:36 AM

StoneSpiral

I know plenty of Athiests, and they all have a better moral standard than you do. For one, they don't passive aggressively accuse people of stuff without any shred of proof.

3/28/2011 7:02:43 AM

Ryu

@Indigokat

PZ Myers is a Biologist. He has to dissect animals- or dead animals, rather- to understand the way the bodies work, just as doctors have to dissect human corpses to understand the human anatomy.

Also
I am a vegetarian (no animal parts in or on my body)

Apart from that body, of course.
Couldn't resist.

3/28/2011 7:49:39 AM

Godbuster

Vox Day: Atheists are evil and have no moral basis!
Priest: Go kill that kid!
Vox Day: Yes, master!

3/28/2011 11:23:33 AM

LadyJafaria

@Ryu: Yes, and there's a difference between, say, testing products on animals and researching the animals themselves. Experimenting on and dissecting specimens of animals has to be done to advance our knowledge of how animals work. Vets and conservationists have to use the research to help animals, too. I don't blame a vegetarian for not wanting to become involved in the process themselves, but research ABOUT animals pretty much has to involve, at some point, live or dead animals. It would be like expecting someone to go through auto-mechanic school without ever taking a car apart.

PZ Myers clearly likes animals, if repeatedly posting cool pictures of them (Cephalopod Friday!) is any indication, and most biologists view dissection as just a part of their job that will hopefully have positive results. They can't see it as good OR bad in and of itself, or they wouldn't be good biologists.

3/28/2011 12:20:51 PM

Jake

Dissecting a carcass that died of natural causes may actually help something. Killing animals for dissection is murder for science. Could there be a discovery worth murdering 100, 1000 or even more? Vivisection is torture for limited scientific gain. If there's an afterlife, I can't say a vivisector's will be pleasant, even if it's not Fundie Hell.

BTW, if anyone's wondering, animal testing is a barbaric, outdated practice. For much, much, MUCH more information: http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Animal_testing

3/28/2011 2:25:35 PM



Vox Day is a stupid, evil cunt. If he's pissed off, PZ done good.

3/28/2011 6:49:12 PM

Hive

Oh, Vox, still an ignorant dumbass, I see.

3/28/2011 8:37:58 PM

rikalous

@Raised By Horses: Ah OK. Between the submissions and some of the more out-there comments, my ability to detect sarcasm is badly damaged. In my defense, you DID ask me to throw you a line.

3/28/2011 9:12:50 PM

Murdin

We've been found. Now we must cause as much death and devastation as we can before they get us. For the evulz.

3/29/2011 3:32:31 AM

Anon-e-moose

"It's probably a good thing he is an atheist without any moral standards"

Along with you right-wing Fundamentalist Christians, amirite?

Timothy McVeigh: The Oklahoma City atrocity. 168 people murdered, including 19 children.

And, may I point out, your own God (emphasis added):

Hosea 13:16: 'Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.'

This is the naked face of right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity, and what such is based on, ladies and gentlemen. Look on it well and remember it, because it usually doesn't dare to show its disgusting and anti-human nature so openly.

3/29/2011 9:47:52 AM

the_ignored

Nice that some people over there are calling him on this morally hypocritical bullshit.

If you guys don't mind me spamming, I talk about another such example of "pro-life" here.


3/29/2011 10:19:46 AM

the_ignored

@ 1271661
Actually, Vox makes a good living writing for the WingNut Daily site, as well as some very minor achievments in computer mice production. (Look up "Warmouse")

It's ironic as hell that someone who's one step away from being a rape apologist (See "the rape myth", and "there is no marital rape" would call atheism "anti-human".

There's a whole thread devoted to that assclown on the "Antievolution" board. Some of what Vox says is truly nasty.

3/29/2011 11:38:50 AM

praxagora

My research lately involves primate empathy; something this person appears to have not evolved, at least in relation to recognisable others of their species...

3/30/2011 11:53:30 PM



Counter to Jake's comment I would point out that animal testing is essential still at this time. There are no in vitro tests capable of garnering the information gained from animal models.

Just to clarify my position, I like animals, I have pets and have in the past been part of teams developing in vitro tests for drugs. I also see animal testing for cosmetic industry purposes as immoral.

Animal testing is the only way to gain information on side effects and dosage before human trials. It is also an important step in testing efficacy. Cell line models and similar devices are powerful tools and are used first and in preference to animal experiments. No one would use animals unless they had to as animal work is expensive, stressful and requires special training beyond your training to do other research.

On vivisection, well, that is no longer legal, the pictures you will have seen are either from the 70s or from countries that do not have such strong ethical checks as those in Europe when it comes to animal research. Or they weren't vivisections and simply operations or dissections and your ability to distinguish in still pictures is insufficient (as doing so can be very difficult).

3/31/2011 12:31:15 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Vox Day misses the point that icky gore is not itself a good reason to change opinions. The fact that Vox ignores this and continues to assume that full grown, independent, thinking and feeling human beings are comparable to barely developed, month or two old fetuses makes his labeling atheists "anti-human" a little funny. Knowing that Voxie also supports his Super Ghost's right to commit genocide at his leisure, because we are his property, makes it even more funny.

4/6/2011 11:36:44 AM
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