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Crystal Dixon, who was fired from her job at the University of Toledo in 2008 for writing a newspaper column that argued being gay is a choice and not a matter of civil rights, has been hired to lead a county human rights department in Michigan.

In 2008, Dixon lost her university job as associate vice president for human resources over a column she wrote in the Toledo Free Press called “Gay Rights and Wrongs: Another Perspective.” Her column was a response to an opinion written by the newspaper's editor-in-chief.

“As a Black woman who happens to be an alumnus of the University of Toledo's Graduate School, an employee and business owner, I take great umbrage at the notion that those choosing the homosexual lifestyle are 'civil rights victims,'” she wrote. “Here's why. I cannot wake up tomorrow and not be a Black woman. I am genetically and biologically a Black woman and very pleased to be so as my Creator intended. Daily, thousands of homosexuals make a life decision to leave the gay lifestyle evidenced by the growing population of PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex Gays) and Exodus International just to name a few.”

Crystal Dixon, Advocate 78 Comments [4/2/2011 2:12:45 PM]
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Jezebel's Evil Sister

I know that Michigan is suffering a budget shortfall now, but scraping up remainders from the bottom of the job-candidate bargain bin is a not a wise way to meet state obligations.


Hmmm. I wonder if Crystal Dixon is actually "His4Life" IRL?

4/2/2011 2:28:25 PM

Elia

I suppose she thinks they "choose the homosexual lifestyle" because they are looking for attention.

4/2/2011 2:35:06 PM



By this logic, if we take away the fundies' right to free speech it's not a civil rights violation because they chose to be fundies, right?

Otherwise this whole thing is a big ol' non-sequitur.

4/2/2011 2:38:10 PM

The Watcher

No, no gays have ever chosen to stop being gay. Stop lying.

4/2/2011 2:42:26 PM

arbiter

Did it ever occur to you, that it is completely irrelevant, if it is chosen or if someone is born homosexual?

The concept of consenting adults, and the concept, that everyone may pursue happiness as long as you do not infringe on the right of others does not care if your preferences in life are chosen or dictated by biology.

It's just not important.

I've read books about this issue, and there seem to be even gays (not ex gays) who think it is chosen. I think so too, but thats just a sociological and individual problem. It has no legal consequences whatsoever. Just because its chosen, which may, or may not be true, doesn't somehow stop you from requesting and getting equal rights.

Just how religions are chosen, and nobody seriously suggests, that some religions should be exempt from the protection of the constitution.

I can't stress this enough, whether being homosexual is chosen or not, i a non issue.

4/2/2011 2:45:20 PM

Swede

IDIOT! Like you and your blackness, many lesbian women can't wake up tomorrow and not be lesbians. They are (probably) genetically and biologically lesbians and pleased to be so, as the Creator intended.

Show me a formerly thoroughly gay man, who now is a heterosexual dad, and I will show you a very frustrated woman.

4/2/2011 2:46:31 PM

Xotan

So when did Crystal really choose not to be white? C'mon. We know that if you can choose to be gay you can also choose to be white.

Seriously, what you can choose not to be is a bigot, regardless of race or flesh tone.

4/2/2011 2:47:57 PM



Lol "there is no discrimination unless it affects me."

4/2/2011 2:48:51 PM

arensb

"As a Black woman who happens to be an alumnus"
...
"I cannot wake up tomorrow and not be a Black woman."

"Alumnus" is masculine. A woman who graduates from a university is an alumna. So presumably Crystal Dixon changed her sex at some point after graduation, which kinda belies her subsequent comment.

4/2/2011 3:04:51 PM



Originally posted by Jezebel’s Evil Sister

know that Michigan is suffering a budget shortfall now, but scraping up remainders from the bottom of the job-candidate bargain bin is a not a wise way to meet state obligations.

Hell, it’s an employer’s market. If someone’ scraping the bottom of the barrel, something is seriously wrong.

4/2/2011 3:08:12 PM

rallymodeller

@1274409: That's because anyone with an ounce of sense left Michigan years ago.

4/2/2011 3:14:51 PM

Slave to Uni

Oh dear.

I had an unpleasant experience working with this woman when I attended UT for my BA...

The fact she's made FSTDT doesn't surprise me. She's made some comments that are certainly RSTDT worthy, but unfortunately I don't have any written evidence :(

4/2/2011 3:34:36 PM

aaa

Persecution doesn't work that way, lass.

4/2/2011 3:35:34 PM

Angua

Crystal, can you choose to be a lesbian? I know you might think it's sinful, but can you try finding women sexually attractive? Just for a few hours. You don't have to act on this attraction and you can always choose to shop finding women attractive and find men attractive again after a few hours, right? So just as an experiment, just to show us all that it really is a choice, why don't you try it and tell us how it goes?

Because as a straight women, try as I might, I can't force myself to find women more attractive than men.

And can't you choose not to be black? You might be biologically predisposed to be black, in the same way that homosexuals and biologically predisposed to be gay, but that doesn't mean you can't choose to stop being black just as some homosexuals choose "to leave the gay lifestyle." Michael Jackson chose not to be black.

See how stupid and bigoted that sounds?

And I'll go along with you. Let's pretend that homosexuality is as much a choice as deciding what flavor of ice cream to buy. This is still an issue of civil rights. You want to go and say, "Oh, eating chocolate ice cream is a choice. Therefore, it's not an issue of rights that some people choose to eat chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla ice cream. Never mind that there choice hurts absolutely no one. Because people choose to eat chocolate ice cream rather than vanilla, the people who eat chocolate ice cream can be denied equal rights. Because it's a choice, we can discriminate against people who eat chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla ice cream, and it's not about civil rights at all. And how dare people who choose to eat chocolate ice cream instead even say that they deserve equal rights!"

Even if sexuality was a choice, that would still not justify denying homosexuals equal rights. I would hope this would be obvious, but as there are still people like you out there, Crystal, apparently it isn't.

4/2/2011 3:42:25 PM

dionysus

Really now. So when did you choose to be straight? Also, if it was a choice, then who the hell would choose to be gay given how badly they're treated? There was a post a few days ago on here about a girl who was disowned by her fundie mother for coming out, why would anyone choose to be ostracized from their families? Do you really think gays are that stupid/masochistic? And even if it IS a choice, so is religion and that's still a civil rights issue if a religion or sect isn't being treated fairly. So you're wrong in every possible way.

4/2/2011 4:00:24 PM

Ian1732

This pisses me off more since it's in my home state. WHO THE FUCK MADE THIS DECISION.

4/2/2011 4:12:25 PM

Berny

If being gay is a choice then go ahead and prove it.
I defy Crystal Dixon to wake up tomorrow and decide to be a lesbian for a week or so.
Idiot.

4/2/2011 4:27:53 PM

Osiris

I'm going to admit. Living the stereotypical "gay lifestyle" is a choice. Kind of like how black people don't have to live a "gangsta lifestyle". However, being homosexual is just as much a choice as being black. They can't change who they are any more then you can.

4/2/2011 4:29:40 PM

werewolf

I know from experience that graduate school confers neither demigodhood nor wisdom despite the use of polysyllables.


4/2/2011 5:04:55 PM

Old Viking

I took umbrage once. Don't buy the product. It
did nothing to cure my piles.

4/2/2011 5:16:07 PM

Amadaun

The observation that it takes less all-round effort for gays to 'pass' and be treated normally in a straight-dominated world than for blacks to 'pass' and be treated like whites is legitimate.

The rest is bullshit, because the possibility of pretending to be other than you are doesn't mean it's necessary. Who would it hurt for gay people to have equal rights? Nobody. So why shouldn't they expect them? The problem isn't identical, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. Black people who milk the civil rights struggle to interpret themselves as morally superior to other groups seem to me to be insulting that history and missing the point.

You know that Dr. Suess book, Sneetches on Beaches? There was a message in it. See if you can remember it.

And no, the ability to act as if one isn't gay doesn't mean one isn't. You know the pressure on black people to seem not-black-except-for-that-skin-thing if they want to be taken seriously, even though plenty of ways of 'seeming black' don't actually constitute unprofessional behavior? That's not cool, right? Same thing. Only with more lies.

Of course, some of the 'ex-gays' could be bisexuals who can't accept a middle ground. Or maybe there is a large element of choice and the people who're tormented by being gay against their will are just overreacting or something. Unlikely.

Myself, I seem to have a stronger physical imperative toward men, but my aesthetic sense leans toward women, so the attraction rate works out about fifty-fifty, and androgyny is super hot. I don't know what's choice and what's not, there. I just kind of let it happen.

4/2/2011 5:19:43 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

I see her as nothing more than a liability for Michigan. Its not "if" she will cause the city to be sued...but "when".

4/2/2011 5:46:30 PM

Shadoboy

Prove it. Be a homosexual a whole year and genuinely enjoy the relations you develop and switch back.

4/2/2011 6:11:58 PM

Alyra

@rallymodeller

Hey, not all michiganders are stupid.

Some of us just can't afford to move. XD

4/2/2011 6:23:10 PM

Papabear

Be fair, Crystal, and don't take all the umbrage.

4/2/2011 6:34:03 PM
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