['What, in your opinion, is wrong with multiculturalism?']
It considers all cultures as equal, this is totally ilogical and it also tries to build a society which accepts all cultures with all their different morals and customs. All this is against the objective moral order.
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The idea that there is an objective moral order seems not only plausible to me, but indeed rather likely. Consider a society as a set of persons with access to limited resources. It could easily turn out to be the case that certain behaviours indeed optimize the likelihood that universally held desireable outcomes are attained for the average member of that society - peace, prosperity, comfort, happiness, etc.
Hello Darth Wang: I wrote a reply to your question but I must have pressed the wrong button and it was lost.
I think that all human beings essentially want the same things - peace, freedom, pleasure, happiness, physical health, love, security, meaning, etc. A society where these outcomes would be achieved to the largest extent possible would be an "ideal society". The key point to make is that I believe that there is one form of society that maximizes the desirable end states that I have listed. I do not claim to know what the cultural values of such a society might be. Just as different engineering practices will produce aircraft of varying qualities, so will different cultural values produce societies of differing quality (in relation to the universally held attributes I have listed).
My whole point, and I have yet to hear a counterargument, is that there does indeed exist a set of optimal cultural values - values that will yield the most "ideal" society possible. Such values are not subjective - they are objective in the same way that there exists an objectively best set of design principles for engineering an aircraft.
But what are these values? If you just say things like peace, freedom, pleasure, happiness, physical health, love, security, meaning, etc. then that is still very vague, and can be interpreted (or distorted) in many different ways by many different people.
Let me clarify. The set of optimal cultural values lead to the achievement of the desirable attributes of an ideal society. So things like love, peace, and security are the result of applying other cultural values - I am talking about cultural values on the one hand and the attributes that the application of such values will yield on the other. So a cultural value might be "children care for their parents in old age". The application of this value may or may not be part of the optimal set that leads to a society that is peaceful, secure, etc.
Hello Yahweh: I see nothing in the quote from Lestat that is racist. I think that you have to admit such an inference is not warranted based on the exact written words. And when you say my observations are aimed at no one, I must point out comment 2605, which my material could not address more directly (how have I misread that comment 2605?).
Hello Yahweh: My intent was not to object to the point of having the post removed. Maybe I misunderstand the whole reason for this site. I kind of assumed that this might be a place for serious discussion of these "fundie" quotes. Of course, I agree that most of them are self-evidently silly and need no discussion. However, if the raison d'etre for this site is to allow people to "vent" against such stuff and was never intended to be a "debate" forum, then I do not wish to interfere with that goal. Please let me know or point me to your "terms and conditions".
Drew-
Well, we're never all gonna "just get along", that's why secular laws put the emphasis on tolerance and appropriate actions. You don't have to like(gonna go GOP here) Ching Changs cabbage boiled sea slime soup but he's not violating any of societies rules eating such drek or painting his porch bright colors. Y'know, like how it's fine when Billy Bob does it because he didn't put no "furing spices init" and could only afford clearance sale paints.
Of course, remember this is Free Conservatives and by "objective moral order" they mean Southern Christian racism and were real close to calling their site "Free Conservatives Only".
What, in your opinion, is wrong with photosynthesis?
That question is about as stupid as the other one. People have been mixing their cultures with each other for hundreds of thousands of years; why suddenly stop now? All cultures are mixes of several cultures, and old culture customs are discarded all the time, while new ones are invented.
There is no objective moral order, silly! Moral is, in its very nature, subjective.
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