If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you. It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have open homosexuals involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers.
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A lot of the people in the positions you just mentioned (police, military, judiciary, politics, academia) are doing things which are far, far worse than being gay. Why don't you focus your energy on stopping that stuff instead of worrying about what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms.
Awww, so the poor poor landlords have to rent out to the EVIL GAYS and can't tell them off? Tell you what, as long as I pay my rent, don't damage anything and don't do anything illegal, it's none of the landlords business what I do in my bedroom. Same goes for employers, as long as I do my job, it's none of his business what I do in my free time and with whom I decide to spend my life. Why do you always care so much about what other people do in their beds? It's none of your business either.
principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct
I view fundie christianity as something of low moral character, and fundamentalist christians to be engaged in immoral conduct. Does that mean as a landlord, I can deny to rent an apartment to these kind of persons?
1. Sexual perversion does not always mean homosexuality and vice versa. (Although I will concede that anyone -- straight or gay -- can be a perv all the same.)
2. There's a time and a place fir everything, including perversity. Why should my perversity have any influence over anything else, when it's not the right time for it?
3. if I don't do any damage to my landlord's physical property, who cares what kinky games I might play there with other consenting adults?
The definitions of sexual perversion, low moral character and immoral conducts vary in society. You don't have the final word on this, my definition is just as valid as yours.
Sexual perversion to me are things like rape, child abuse, infidelity, trafficking and the parts of prostitution that are more like sexual slavery.
Low moral character and immoral conduct to me are things like strong egoism, disrespect, antipathy, hatred, vengeance, discrimination.
But you're absolutely right in that there is no basis for denying homosexuals the same rights as heterosexual.
Good to finally have that settled!
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to Negroes, then there is no basis for denying those involved in miscegenation the right to adopt and teach white children, marry white women, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you. It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have Negroes involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of color which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers."
Pastor Ralph Ovadal's Grandpa, c. 1950
Hey Ralph, you want to delete the second sentence. First it's ridiculously long and kind of hard to read, second, if you'd stop after the first, you'd actually sound smart!
yes...yes....not a sexual perversion but still good....."no-special-rights" ignorable.....and it goes downhill from there.
So close, yet still missing the point.
I fucking hate people like you. Gays already have a hard enough time just living in the current society but no, that's not enough for you. You want to knock them even further down, kick them while their down and stomp on their throat. You're not content with simply lauding your privileged rights and self-righteousness over their heads, no, you want to treat them like animals and take away every last human right they have. And why? Because of what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, which BTW is none of your fucking business? And guess what? Even though you're an inhuman bigot and don't deserve the rights you have I'm not going to campaign to take them away from you because unlike you and your horrendously misnamed ministry I actually believe in liberty.
"principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers."
You mean I'm required to hire people with a history of child labor exploitation and war profiteering?
Did he just seriously state that he should have the right to discriminate against others?! Even if you ignore the fact that homosexuals, by and large, are no more perverted than heterosexuals, that is appalling. I hope his brain would explode if he found out that before the Civil Rights Movement, it was the "deepest belief" of many people that blacks and other minorities were inherently inferior to whites and thus should not be allowed to live in the same buildings or to have the same jobs.
You are correct, this means that your bigoted opinion may not affect the way that other people live their own lives. Period. This is not a bad thing.
This from "Life & Liberty Ministries", too. Apparently the liberty of people you don't like doesn't matter.
If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you.
You were so close. Pity you didn't contemplate the bolded part before spewing your hateful filth.
So if your not allowed to discriminate against gays, you won't be able to discriminate against gays. The fact that you think this is even logic, let alone moral, invalidates anything you have to say in the eyes of anyone with the brain power to chew their own food.
I'm not worried about this one.
Unlike you, I don't consider love between consenting adults to be perverted. I do consider religiously-motivated bigotry to be a perversion, so does that mean I can discriminate against you and campaign to rescind all of your political rights, too?
At least he's honest about wanting Christian hegemony and his hatred for the First Amendment.
Why do you hate America, Ralph?
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you."
I know, it's awesome isn't it?!
"It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have open homosexuals involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers."
Your bigotry flies in the face of my deepest beliefs. Does that mean I should be able to refuse you a job or housing?
One of these days, I'd just love to see the dumbass fundies be honest and outright say something like "Homosexuals are more evil than the devil, each sex act they engage in is more vile than ten Holocausts, *censored* and rectal *censored* are their meat and drink, they are truly abominations of unthinkable filth more horrifying than the deepest, most corrupt pits of hell itself!"
They'd also be screaming it at the top of their lungs and tapping generously into the exclamation point reserves, but I opted to spare you all the caps.
After all, you know that this is what these homosexual fixated ministries REALLY want to say, right?
"... You know this is what the homosexual fixated ministries really want to say, right?"
I think what Rev. Ralph is really saying is: "I love cock. Cock, cock, cock, cock, cockety cock. And in conclusion ... COCK!!!!!"
Life & Liberty Ministries? Oh the irony!
SLAVERY IS FREEDOM!
WAR IS PEACE!
WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE!
They wouldn't know "Liberty & Freedom" if it sat on their faces & let loose a loud, wet, stinky one! *BBBRRRRAAAPPPP*!
there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you.
You say this like it's a bad thing. Most of us forward-thinking individuals know that discriminating against people is a bad thing.
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you. "
Good to see you recognise that there is no basis to do so.
"It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have open homosexuals involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers. "
1) Good to see a fundie admit that banning same sex marriage DOES make marriage a special right.
2) If there "deepest beliefs" involve discriminating against gay people, they should grow up and get some better ones.
3) Nobody is required to rent property to anybody. They are just banned from refusing to rent to them purely because they are gay.
I agree Pastor Ovadal, things are looking up!
Oh, I'm sorry, you think discrimination is a good thing? I must have misunderstood. Fuck you then.
I just took a look at the original article (or wall of words) and these few sentences are just a small part of his spewing filth against gays.
I can't help feeling that "the lady doth protest too much" and that someone is suppressing some little urges of his own. Go on, admit it Paster Ralph, you want some guy action of your own. You'll feel better when you admit it and it's out in the open. Go on...
You chrisians are just asking for society to ban you arent YOu? Man Id love to ban christianity, but I dont have that kind of clout.
If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet Christians, then there is no basis for denying those involved in religious perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you. It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have Christans involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers.
Fixed
"there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you."
Put me on the list of commenters who agree with this guy's first sentence, and have absolutely no problem with it.
Well, the first sentence was right, considering what Ralph here considers 'perversion'. After that if course, it reverts back to bullshit.
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you."
Your point is . . .?
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you. It is because of the no-special-rights approach that we now have open homosexuals involved in many activities from which they should have been banned, and principled property owners and businessmen are required by law in many states to rent to and employ persons of low moral character engaged in immoral conduct which flies in the face of the deepest beliefs of the landlords and employers."
Also right-wing Fundamental ist preachers:
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And therefore, according to your logic, Pastor Ralph...:
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/republican-list-of-paedophiles-shocking/
Right-wingers like you have no right to exist. Period.
Your call, Ralph.
"If citizens are not allowed to discriminate in any way with regard to out-of-the-closet homosexuals, then there is no basis for denying those involved in sexual perversion the right to adopt and teach children, marry one another, be policemen or medics, serve in the armed forces, be elected officials and judges, work for you, and rent from you."
Quite. And?
I am not seeing the problem, I mean, this same exact speech was used in the 1940s, they just changed the word black to homosexual.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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