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Of all of mankind's greatest assets, we know of only three things that preceded marriage: Sex, Love, and fire... and we aren't 100% sure about fire.

Just think about this for a moment. Everything that makes mankind great: medicine, science, math, philosophy, psychology, finance, politics, religion, war, THE VERY CONCEPT OF FAMILY!!... EVERYTHING in all of human history, all of it was created after marriage. Marriage preceded the invention of the wheel, writing, the pyramids, the Trojan war, the great flood, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Stonehenge, the Aztec and Mayan pyramids. All of them came after marriage. The human presence all over the world came after our predecessors invented the marriage covenant. Really. There were no humans in America. There were no humans in Europe. No humans in Asia until marriage was created.

Marriage literally was the very first act of society. When man and woman began to vow to live together till death and care for their common young, society began. Nothing created by society preceded that. Nothing.

Marriage literally is the beginning of the greatness of mankind. It is perhaps our greatest invention because it created society itself.

And the definition of marriage, the definition that those early people created, has remained unchanged for tens of thousands of years. Perhaps longer. It has always been between a man and a woman.

Now we have to change it? You are asking us to change the very definition of mankind. Mankind is a social creature. Social life lies at the heart of mankind. Society began with marriage. If we change the definition of marriage, we change society itself. We change all of humanity. 97% of humanity has to change for 3% of the population.

That is what you are expecting.

THIS is why we are against same sex marriage.

Alex, DOMA Facebook 92 Comments [4/10/2011 5:46:09 AM]
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Matante

Cancer has existed before the first humans were born! All good things we have happened after cancer came to be!
And now you want to cure cancer???

4/10/2011 6:02:15 AM

farpadokly

This is all bullshit. Tribal and hunter-gatherer societies have all sorts of social structures, but they usually have extended families and not necesarilly monogamous pair-bondings. The thing that we know as marriage is in fact a VERY recent invention in the total history of mankind.

4/10/2011 6:03:04 AM

shykid

You fail anthropology forever.

4/10/2011 6:16:17 AM



I’m counting about thirty [Citation Needed]s

4/10/2011 6:16:54 AM

Woody

Assuming that Adam and Eve were the first humans (and that is a big assumption) and that they were married; surely all bad things such as murder, war, starvation, flood, massacres, hate, bullying etc came along after marriage. Therefore we should ban marriage to solve all of humanities problems.

See what I did there Alex?

4/10/2011 6:18:41 AM

Not Today

>> 97% of humanity has to change for 3% of the population.

I can't ever get past the stupidity of this line of comments. My marriage will not change if it becomes legal for two men or two women to marry. The only marriage that's affected by two guys getting married is the marriage of those two guys.

4/10/2011 6:36:48 AM



Yes it's true, marriage has always been one man/one woman across all cultures. You can read all about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy


4/10/2011 6:44:40 AM



So, there were no combs, no tools for hunting, NOTHING, before marriage?. Please.

4/10/2011 6:45:08 AM

Berny

What the fuck are you on?
If you are relying on the Bible as if it were a history book, then you are a moron.
For the longest time, marriage was a tool of diplomacy.
Marriage did not exist for regular folks, unless you consider shaking up to be marriage, until the church realized they could make money from it.
There were other kinds of unions between same-sex partners even back thousands of years, so your historical knowledge is as flawed as your logic.

4/10/2011 6:45:26 AM

Canadia

Not only is all of that false, even were it all true that wouldn't give you any good reason to oppose same sex marriage. Hell, if anything, it'd give you reason to support same sex marriage because marriage is apparently the foundation of everything.

4/10/2011 6:55:40 AM

aaa

Thank you for vomiting this pile of inanity. Do you want me to send the bill now or tomorrow?

4/10/2011 7:05:54 AM

Bill

As soon as the gays can get married there will be no more inventions or scientific discoveries. I mean...what's the point of looking for a cure for cancer? The gays can get married!

The anti-gay crowd has their cause-effect thinking in reverse. Marriage does not define society; society defines marriage. As society has evolved to become more tolerant and equitable, so has marriage. The notion of marriage being a legal contract between a co-equal man and women of any race dates to about the 1970s.

4/10/2011 7:17:11 AM

Raised by Horses

"97% of humanity has to change for 3% of the population."

The rest of humanity's answer to your inane request.

4/10/2011 7:17:37 AM



Even assuming that gay marriage did affect your marriage, why shouldn’t we consider the needs of the 3% (you need a citation for that number, by the way)? Otherwise, it is simply tyranny of the majority.

Hey, you know what does affect other people just to cater to less than three percent[1] of the population in the United States? Wheelchair ramps. They cost money to install and maintain. They take up space. They affect the appearance of many buildings. Why should business owners have to install them all the time for less than 3% of the population? Think about that.

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[1]USCF Disability Statistics Center—People with mobility devices make up up to 2.6 percent of the non-institutional population of the United States.


-- I’m sure that wheelchair thing would backfire on some level… Oh, well.

4/10/2011 7:24:54 AM

Ken

How will gays getting married taint your marriage any more than people of other faiths getting married?

4/10/2011 7:54:15 AM

Smurfette Principle

Somewhere, an anthropologist is crying.

Also:

The human presence all over the world came after our predecessors invented the marriage covenant. Really. There were no humans in America. There were no humans in Europe. No humans in Asia until marriage was created.

Aaaaand that's where you officially fall off the deep end.

4/10/2011 8:02:07 AM

SpukiKitty

"Everything that makes mankind great: medicine, science, math, philosophy, psychology, finance, politics, religion, war..."

War? WAR?! What's so great about WAR? So a bunch of people killing a bunch of people is great? SO!...I bet you think Barfing, Traffic Jams, Mosquito Bites, Acne, Toxic Waste & Nuclear Fallout is just the bee's knees, huh?

4/10/2011 8:16:09 AM

cdcdrr

"Marriage preceded the invention of the wheel, writing, the pyramids, the Trojan war, the great flood, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Stonehenge, the Aztec and Mayan pyramids."

Ah yes, the Trojan War! How much we have benefited from that. I don't know how we'd do without Trojan War today, it just makes life so much easier!

But I don't agree on your opinion that Rome was a great invention. What have the Romans ever done for us?

4/10/2011 8:25:28 AM

TGRwulf

Marriage preceded the invention of the wheel? What the fuck?

4/10/2011 8:31:51 AM

JKat

Pair-bonding as a behavior to increase the chances of offspring survival has existed since before humans existed, sure. Marriage as an institution is relatively new. The difference is that marriage as an institution is currently under the delusion that it can decide for people who they are allowed to pair-bond with.

The way I see it, marriage just needs to catch up with this ancient behavior.

4/10/2011 8:34:06 AM

Philbert McAdamia

@ SpukiKitty
I bet you think Barfing, Traffic Jams, Mosquito Bites, Acne, Toxic Waste & Nuclear Fallout is just the bee's knees, huh?

Personally, I like Pink Eye.

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@ cdcdrr
What have the Romans ever done for us?

Concrete.


4/10/2011 8:35:54 AM

Random Thought

Interesting theory... I hope he does realize that by his own assertion, sex having come before marriage, "everything that makes mankind great: medicine, science, math, philosophy, psychology, finance, politics, religion, war, THE VERY CONCEPT OF FAMILY!!... EVERYTHING in all of human history, all of it was created after <s>marriage</s> sex."

Enjoy teaching that in highschools, you simple minded freak.

4/10/2011 8:38:08 AM

D Laurier

Marriage is a recent inovation that has existed as long as trade. It is predated by religion by several thousand years.
Every culture has its own form of marriage, and every culture's ideas on marriage are different from not only every other culture,,, but also from itself a century earlyer.
Alex needs to learn some history, and some anthropology.
For most of its history marriage has been a contract between two men over the trade of a woman for some gold.

4/10/2011 8:39:18 AM

Random Thought

Interesting theory... I hope he does realize that by his own assertion, sex having come before marriage, "everything that makes mankind great: medicine, science, math, philosophy, psychology, finance, politics, religion, war, THE VERY CONCEPT OF FAMILY!!... EVERYTHING in all of human history, all of it was created after <s>marriage</s> sex."

Enjoy teaching that in highschools, you simple minded freak.

4/10/2011 8:39:55 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Well at least, unlike some of the fundies here, he (or she?) realizes that marriage came after sex, not before, and that non-human animals don't get married. However, he is completely wrong about marriage dating to the Paleolithic. Considering that stone tools, the domestication of a few animals, rope, pottery and other containers all arose before the first primitive villages and civilizations, so they are just as if not more responsible for the rise of civilization than marriage is.

And I love how he neglects to mention anything other than the absolute minimum of what constituted a married couple back in the day. Sure, it always involved a man and a woman, but the catch was that it was at least one man and at least one woman. (And in the really old days, the more women in a man's harem, the better, as it showed that he was rich enough to provide for them all.) This even occurs in the Bible. It is not condemned. The fact that polygamy has been outlawed in all but the most barbaric and backward countries (looking at you, Saudi Arabia) shows that the definition of marriage has changed through the years. Society is still here.

4/10/2011 8:50:32 AM
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