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2. Do you participate in name-calling of those who object to homosexuality -- names like bigot, hate-monger, etc.?
What else do you call someone who hates a particular group of people just because they're different?
5. Do you believe some people will just inevitably be homosexual, and that there’s a set percentage of the population that will always be ‘gay’, and that this won’t increase, even if a culture embraces ‘gay’ sex? Do you think homosexual experimentation could never become ‘chic’ and popular? Is there no risk for the people involved or our culture if this happens?
Do you really think that everyone will just turn gay because it's the "in" thing to do? I don't know about all other heterosexuals out there, but I think it would be very hard for me to be attracted to men. It's as if fundies think that gays are like vampires or zombies turning everyone they can catch into one of them.
17. Do you believe that, after several thousand years where most cultures have prohibited homosexuality, only now the ‘real’ truth is emerging?
Please, let me grab my popcorn and then tell me what you think is the "real" truth about homosexuality.
4/11/2011 10:02:34 AM
I love how this guy listed number 11! LOL
I DO believe LGBT groups should not resort to reason 2 so quickly. Martin Luther King did more than just call people who disagreed with him racists. He also backed up his reasoning very well.
As for why I support gay marriage, I see no reason to oppose it without resorting to religion.
4/11/2011 10:08:58 AM
So, what, were not allowed to hate the haters? Why do you hate in the first place? You started the hatin'!
4/11/2011 10:10:33 AM
4/11/2011 10:15:20 AM
3. Do you believe ‘gays’ have been deprived of the right to marry? Doesn’t pretty much everyone have the right to marry now -- to a person of the opposite sex?
Every time I hear this stupid argument, I think we should make Christianity illegal. After all, doesn't everyone already have the right to practice Islam?
4/11/2011 10:19:48 AM
I read about the afterlife
17. Yes, and no, I don't think it is an arrogant view due to the fact that we have had several thousand years of white superiority, anti-semitism, and sexism and are only just now coming to terms with the fact that all of those things are bad.
4/11/2011 11:17:39 AM
Are You a Pro-Gay Bigot?
Yes I am educated and respect and except people for who they are even assholes like you.
Are you quick to say “Judge not, lest you be judged” ( Matthew 7:1) and similar passages, without understanding the Christian theology behind it, and all the while being very judgmental yourself?
Do you think that a on-educated, frightened and shallow hillbilly like you knows the bible? The bible isn't a supermarket where you can pick and choose what you like and don't like
4/11/2011 11:18:52 AM
Homosexuality first started back in the 1950's, when we began to depart from True Christian™ values.
4/11/2011 11:24:05 AM
Do you believe it’s okay for thirteen- year- olds to learn at school that they have the right to have homosexual sex with each other? Do you close your ears when concerned parents are outraged?
I know I've mentioned my views on sex-ed in other threads, but once again, I actually do not have a problem with 13 or 14-year-olds being taught or told anything about sex, since they're on the brink of having sex become a major aspect of their lives. You, OP, are also making a few unfounded assumptions on what it means to be gay and what it means to be educated about human sexuality - one, that a human sexuality class would spend much of its time promoting the "right" to be gay, and two, that "gay" is some sort of choice you can be allowed or disallowed to make.
It's because of "concerned" parents that we in the US are still kept in general ignorance of our sexuality and have such a poor handling of it.
4/11/2011 11:52:28 AM
<i>Do you think homosexual experimentation could never become ‘chic’ and popular?</i>
No, but I do believe that people who are worried this could happen are worred precisely because they themselves feel some degree of homosexual attraction and are falsely projecting this onto others and assuming it's true of everybody. This is why they assume it's a choice - because for THEM they know they could find gay sex attractive if they let themselves, and they think this phenomenon is wide spread. Because they are bi or gay, but imagine themselves to be straight and imagine that other straight people have the same desires and lusts that they do, they don't understand that there exist many people who feel no attraction to the same gender and and therefore couldn't actually choose to be gay if they wanted to.
4/11/2011 11:58:12 AM
"As for why I support gay marriage, I see no reason to oppose it without resorting to religion."
I, for one, have never seen an argument against gay marriage that hasn't fallen into one of these three categories:
1) It makes my God cry
2) Buttsex is icky
3) We've always done it this way
It truly is very tiring seeing the same three arguments being dragged out over and over again.
Also, since nobody has posted it yet:
4/11/2011 12:08:53 PM
Are You a Complete Moron?
1. Do you write moral statements that are blatantly self-defeating ?
2. Do you fail to understand that you're not using the accepted definition of a word in the context of a debate ?
3. Do you use conservatist thinking, a.k.a appeal to tradition, without realizing that the exact same form of "reasoning" could be and has been used to defend such pleasant things as slavery, racism or caste systems ?
4. Do you think that the Bible is inerrant as far as you agree with its most obvious meaning, while the "harder" parts about love, poverty, pacifism and the private nature of faith are "open to interpretation" ?
4/11/2011 12:39:09 PM
2. Do YOU participate in name-calling of homosexuals and those who accept them, like "faggot" "queer-lover", etc?
3. Doesn't everyone have the right to whatever religion they want -- so long as it's Scientology?
5. I imagine the percentage could easily fluctuate a bit, but I can't imagine that we're actually dealing with some kind of "destroy the human race by stopping procreation" shit here.
9. Yes. They are born that way. I have considered the evidence against this claim, and found it lacking. Stupid people such as yourself, though, are made, not born.
11. No, I understand the Christian theology behind it, and I understand that no exceptions are listed in the Bible. You say you believe the Bible? You are bound by what it says, then. Including that.
16. If it's okay for thirteen-year-olds to learn at school that they can have heterosexual sex, I see no reason not to mention homosexual sex as well. Increased education leads to lowered risk-taking and overall more responsible people. I never met knowledge I didn't like.
17. Hi there, Rome and Greece here, full of flagrant homosexuals, calling to say you're wrong.
4/11/2011 12:45:35 PM
1. Yes, unless you decided to stop being bigots.
2. I will call you what you are. You are bigots and hate-mongers.
3. Yes, I do. You'd raise a fuss if you couldn't marry a person of the opposite sex.
4. Yes, I do believe that all objections to homosexuality are born from fear and ignorance. No compassion whatsoever.
5. Yep, why does it matter, and nope.
6. I do listen, and I have come to the conclusion that there are no more risks than there are in heterosexuality. I have also come to the conclusion that you are all idiots.
7. Yes and yes.
9. Yes, if there was any I'd consider it but there isn't, and there is none.
10. I think that the Bible is a load of BS, so this question is irrelevant. And yes, saying that you can kindly oppose homosexuality is like saying you can kindly oppose being black.
4/11/2011 1:30:33 PM
11. TOO MUCH IRONY
12. Yeah, cause Jesus was essentially an awesome hippie, unlike you bigots. I don't believe in sin, and I define my own morality. I don't need a savior, and while Jesus' death was pointless (Executions for religious reasons usually are), his resurrection never happened. I'm an atheist. Got a problem with that?
13. Not all gay people are innocent, just as not all straights are innocent. You yourself are stereotyping by saying that the actions of "immoral" gays prove that they are all evil - again, that's like saying that because some black people are gangsters all are. I don't believe that every conservative is mean and stupid, but I'd say the vast majority are.
14. I'd ask for your citation.
15. Yep. And as for the second part? Don't throw stones if your walls are made of glass.
16. Sure, yes, and yep.
17. Yes. After all, slavery was around for thousands of years, yet the "real truth" did not appear here in America until the mid-1860s.
18. Yes, citation needed, and again, it is what it is. Shouting about how fags need to die is hate speech, period.
19. Yep, STDs can be transmitted in strictly heterosexual relationships, and gays are not automatically pedophiles.
20. No, last I checked acceptance of gays WAS the unpopular opinion, so no, I don't, and "be a rebel for a worthy cause"?
That is all I have to say.
4/11/2011 1:31:10 PM
A plainly comical oxymoron in the first sentence, followed by a swift downhill.
I couldn't write something this bad if I tried.
4/11/2011 1:47:30 PM
In order of askance.
No, I try to avoid name-calling.
Yes I do. The difference between right to marry for hets and right to marry for gays is that het persons can wed people to whom they are attracted and with whom they have a committed relationship. Not everyone does this, but many het couples do. In most of the country, gay people can not.
Well I can't speak for other people but I'm...Pretty permanently gay. I know a great many others who say they are pretty permanently attracted to one gender or the other, and a few people who claim that they're permanently bi; capable of finding either gender attractive. And I even know a couple of people who are /asexual/.
4/11/2011 1:59:32 PM
Yes I do think I was born with this inclination. I've always been a little bit 'other' in a number of aspects. No, I do not refuse other theories. I think that both nature and nurture can affect orientation, along with many other personality traits, to a certain degree. I do think that the whole 'molestation makes you gay' thing is bull, though. I'm gay and was never molested. I know a few people who were molested as kids and they run the full orientation spectrum, same as the people I know who were not. I'm not sure on the statistics and don't feel like looking them up right now.
I don't quote the bible because I've never gotten all the way through it, and therefore do not feel qualified to use passages in my everyday conversations. Also, what I've read of it? Not very interesting, and poorly written in the first place. I like my quotable stories to be at least well-worded and entertaining thanks.
No, but teenagers are going to experiment and if they're going to experiment anyway, they may as well be educated in the proper, safe methods for doing so. Same as chemistry class, you don't want a kid handling chemicals without safety gear and proper guidance. You shouldn't let them experiment with their sexuality without at least arming them with information and access to protection. It'd be irresponsible. If the parents are concerned, they should talk to their kids directly. It won't stop them from experimenting in most cases but having an open dialogue will hopefully create trust and help the kids and parents bond.
No. I believe that in many cultures the world over, homosexuality was either cool beans or not-my-business. In cultures that were prone to discouraging it, it found less healthy avenues of expression but did not go away. Human sexuality does not go away. It warps, and twists, if you try to suppress it, but it does not disappear.
< /longass soapbox post>
4/11/2011 2:00:12 PM
2. You mean like how you just called me a bigot for supporting equality?
3. Yes I do. And you can have any color Model-T as long as it's black.
5. the majority of that has been proven in nature itself. As long as their are hetrosexuals, they'll be homosexuals.
9. Yes. You are born with your sexual prefrences. You do not get to choose them. Yes, and most of those claims have been refuted.
11. Not really, you fundies do a good job of that yourself.
16. No, but I do think young gays should be taught to embrace themselves for who they are and to not be bullied.
17. I'm pretty certian "most" cultures prohibited womens rights at one point.
4/11/2011 2:20:27 PM
"9. Do you believe that homosexuals are born that way? Do you refuse to consider the evidence against this claim? Have you ever looked at the connection between child sexual abuse and later homosexual attraction?"
What evidence is there that they weren't born theat way? As for the last one, most child molesters and rapists are heterosexual.
". Are you quick to say “Judge not, lest you be judged” ( Matthew 7:1) and similar passages, without understanding the Christian theology behind it, and all the while being very judgmental yourself? "
Maybe you should follow this passage before you accuse anyone else of being judgemental.
"17. Do you believe that, after several thousand years where most cultures have prohibited homosexuality, only now the ‘real’ truth is emerging? Do you believe this is not an arrogant, narrow or immature position?"
Women's rights and civil rights are fairly new. Does that mean it is wrong to have them?
Also, there you go being judgemental again.
4/11/2011 2:26:09 PM
In my country, the Archbishop is an anti-gay bigot, and generally a hyperconservative backwards thinker. The vast majority of people (believers and atheists alike) hate him for it.
Last week four cakes were thrown at his face. Not kidding.
Are you sure it wasn't forty cakes?
4/11/2011 2:38:09 PM
@HumMis1349 : He took 40 cakes in the face. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
4/11/2011 2:50:35 PM
L&LM has a fixation on gay sex. I wonder why?
4/11/2011 3:34:06 PM
Anti-gay prejudice is as contemptible as any other. Having said that, gay people do not have the right to marry in the same way and for the same reason that they don't have the right to play as partners in mixed doubles at tennis.
Marriage is a heterosexual partnership by definition. We should use the language correctly. Gay unions need to be called something else and in the UK they are: civil partnerships, which have the same status in law as marriages. Sorted. The anti-gay lobby in the US wouldn't even find that acceptable.
The story, true I think, is told of a Christian study group that set itself the task of understanding Biblical teaching on homosexuality (which wouldn't take all that long, there's only a dozen or so relevant verses, and nothing in the Gospels). After a few sessions, one of the members suggested inviting some gay people to meet with them. The study group broke up and took the subject no further. Anything but actually try to understand what they knew they had to condemn.
4/11/2011 3:49:49 PM
@#1277696 : by definition, marriage entails the absolute obediance and submission of the wife to her husband. Also, a man can be married to several women at the same time.
4/11/2011 4:35:47 PM
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