Quote# 80805

[From an article entitled "The case against science."]

If "religion" is to be held culpable for the Inquisitions and the jihads, "science" is certainly no less culpable for the historical ravages of scientific socialism, the gassings of World War I, the National Socialist Holocaust, the fire-bombings of Tokyo and Dresden and the American abortion atrocity, to say nothing of the possibility of nuclear devastation as well as the inconvenient perils of global warming.

I have previously demonstrated that religion does not cause war. But even if it did, the number of Americans killed by medical science in the last ten years far exceeds the total number of Americans killed by war in U.S. history. If medical science can justly claim to have saved many lives, it must also take responsibility for the estimated 783,000 annual iatrogenic deaths it now causes every year.

Vox Day, World Net Daily 73 Comments [4/24/2011 1:15:07 PM]
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"He actually does claim that discovering that men are inherently more intelligent than women, or that Asians are more intelligent than Zulus, would be a bad thing, yet he is still a racist and a sexist. I can't imagine the amount of cognitive dissonance involved for Vox to think that he is not prejudiced. (This is of course ignoring the fact that those tests have been done and have found NO connection between intelligence and race or sex.)"

I hope this doesn't melt your brain, but here's what Pox Day says about race & intelligence:

"It is absurd to imagine that there is absolutely no link between race and intelligence."

Remember, he wrote this after his "Case Against Science" article (in fact he makes a passing reference to it here).

4/24/2011 4:43:05 PM

TB Tabby

Sounds like Vox Day needs to be the next contestant on my favorite game show.

4/24/2011 5:06:37 PM

Throw away your computer and go live in a cave then

4/24/2011 5:18:49 PM


I officially decree that since Mr. Day does not like science that he can no loner reap the rewards that science has gotten us like antibiotics, the internet, painless surgery, the combustion engine, and washing machines. Let's see how long he can survive without those.

Also, why does someone keep digging up 4 year old posts from asshat Vox Day?

4/24/2011 5:40:48 PM


Since you mention the "possiblity of nuclear devastation", I thought this might interest you. One country has used atomic weapons in warfare. The person who gave the go ahead for their use, Harry Truman, said this of them....

"I realize the tragic significance of the atomic bomb... It is an awful responsibility which has come to us... We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes."

4/24/2011 6:03:37 PM



Probably because they're really, really funny.

4/24/2011 6:30:48 PM

Doubting Thomas

Science is but a tool, like a hammer, that can be used either to build or destroy. Religion is a dogmatic thought process that causes urge to build or destroy.

4/24/2011 7:43:42 PM


Mr. and Mrs. Day, You failed miserably with your spawn.
The child fails....all the time.

4/24/2011 8:06:16 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

Vox must be losing popularity if he is grabbing for these straws.

4/24/2011 8:31:07 PM


Vox Day is so myopic I bet he would refuse the injection of a lifesaving drug on the grounds that the needle would cause him harm.

And this is the same guy that cites evo-psych repeatedly to assert that women are less intelligent than men.

I guess science is only good when it can be misused to reinforce your own sexism, eh Voxy?

4/24/2011 9:32:13 PM

Allegory for Jesus

Yeah, because religion is an objective tool for understanding the world that results in discoveries that can be used as people see fit, and science is an institution telling people how to behave. Oh...wait a minute...

Also, failed medical treatment resulting in death is not exactly the same as killing people through bombing and shooting. Nice try though, but I think making a mistake when trying to save a life is slightly distinct from deliberately taking lives in the name of country.

Oh, Vox. You can make the stupidest things sound sophisticated and nearly credible. It's a wonderful talent for such a horrible human being.

4/24/2011 9:35:47 PM


@ TB Tabby:

Nice video, although I was expecting George Carlin's 'asshole, jackoff, scumbag'.

4/24/2011 9:35:54 PM


So basically every time science has made an invention that people like you use to murder each other, we should blame science.

4/24/2011 10:17:24 PM


I wish I could create a time machine and send ol' Voxy here to medieval Europe....a world full of theocracy & lacking in science & see how he likes his "paradise".

4/24/2011 10:18:23 PM

Raised by Horses

"Religion does not cause war."

@Doubting Thomas

Vox Day is also a tool, albeit one that is only useful for destroying things, like brain cells.

4/24/2011 10:28:35 PM

Most (tough not all) people who "die from medical treatment" would have died without that treatment as well.
The same can not be said for non-modern "medical" treatments. You know, like bleeding or sprinking blood over the patient.

4/25/2011 12:10:59 AM


The Holocaust: Ethnic cleansing for a pure, Christian Germany. Religiously motivated.

Firebombings in WWII: The war itself was a political matter, science had nothing to do with it. The bombings of Tokyo and Dresden specifically by US forces were acts of revenge for Pearl Harbor, which itself was likely done in retaliation for naval blockades of Japanese merchant ships while still claiming neutrality.

Abortion: Something actually related to the clashing of medicine and morals! It's almost like you can rub two thoughts together. Here's the thing though, you're trying to say there's been more abortions in the last ten years than deaths in warfare? I'll let the veterans chew your ass out for that one.

Global Warming: Huh? Are you accepting the reality of global warming as a byproduct of industry? If so then it would be science that revealed we're doing more harm than we realized. Or are you saying science is to blame for warming in the first place, with the advent of burning things for fuel? Or are you saying science is doing it on purpose, which is just stupid?

4/25/2011 12:11:48 AM

its a bit disturbing that he mentions Dresden and Tokyo, but not Coventry or London, for instance. I've seen this sort of blame the Allies mentality before, but only with neo Nazis.

Its hard to tell if Vox Day is one, or just a pillock though.

4/25/2011 12:38:23 AM


Guns don't kill, peoople kill. Same thing. Science may have provided the means for any number of atrocities, but it was people who (mis)used it to those ends. Frequently for reasons that were outright religious or had religious undertones.

4/25/2011 1:30:18 AM


I can sort of see the point he's trying to make. It's not science or religion that kill people, it's people that kill people, to paraphrase a cliché. Although I suspect that's not his point at all. Haven't read the whole article.

4/25/2011 2:12:15 AM


4/25/2011 4:49:54 AM

It's fire's fault we have arsonists, but I don't blame lightning for fire.

4/25/2011 4:53:03 AM

Mister Spak

"the number of Americans killed by medical science in the last ten years far exceeds the total number of Americans killed by war in U.S. history."

Yeah those vaccines and antibiotics are mowin' 'em down.

4/25/2011 4:59:36 AM


As others have pointed out, it's useless to argue with an idiot, so here Vox, take two bone rattles, shove them up your ass and call me in the morning.

4/25/2011 6:28:26 AM


There is a world of difference between tools and motivations. Also, without modern medicine, there would be many more dead people all over the streets.

4/25/2011 7:14:57 AM

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