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According to mainstream scientists and chronologists, based on uranium-lead series radiometric dating of moon rocks the Earth is only 4.6 billion years old therefore years did not exist before that because the Earth wasn't orbiting the Sun.

Furthermore the earth has not always been on it's present orbit so 13.7 billion years ago is a meaningless statement.

Agonaces of Susa, christianforums.com 51 Comments [4/26/2011 5:03:14 AM]
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Serph-no-Okami

Not if we work with a strict definition of our units of time, which scientists actually do. This is as stupid as the argument that our modern measurement of time is based on Jebus (A.D.) and the 7-day creation and that these things therefor exist.

4/26/2011 5:11:25 AM

Doctor Whom

Time measurement: You're doing it wrong.

4/26/2011 5:13:01 AM

Mister Spak

"According to mainstream scientists and chronologists, based on uranium-lead series radiometric dating of moon rocks . . ."

Moon rocks were dated using the strontium-rubidium method dumbass.

4/26/2011 5:17:48 AM

The Doctor

Because, of course, time is not a simple progression of cause to effect. It's more like a ball of wibbly wobbly... timey wimey... stuff.

4/26/2011 5:19:05 AM

Passerby

Wait... what?

The Earth is 4.6 billion years old (as measured in our current solar revolutions) therefore years didn't exist before Earth?

We're applying a current measurement to a past state. It's not like you couldn't have a 30cm long sandwich before the metric system was implemented. It just meant you called it a footlong. And before it was a footlong, it was just a big sandwich.

Or did big ass sandwiches not exist either?

Edit: Whoops. Didn't convert correctly. Fixed now.

4/26/2011 5:21:12 AM

Anon2

Yeah, right.

Must be the same reason why the distances between the major cities are bigger in the USA than they are in Germany. The USA measures with miles, instead of kilometers...

And thats why the USA is reluctant to introduce the metric system: They fear to get smaller instantly... (sarcasm)

4/26/2011 5:21:48 AM

dionysus

based on uranium-lead series radiometric dating of moon rocks the Earth is only 4.6 billion years old

Or, you know, they could date the rocks on EARTH to figure out how old the Earth is.

therefore years did not exist before that because the Earth wasn't orbiting the Sun.

Not having a standard measuring stick for a year doesn't mean that time stops, idiot. You might as well say that without a ruler distance doesn't exist.

Furthermore the earth has not always been on it's present orbit so 13.7 billion years ago is a meaningless statement.

No, because while the Earth's revolution is how we came up with the concept of the year (indirectly, through observing the seasons) we can still measure it using the distance that light travels in a year, a light-year. And it's not like we can use the Earth's revolution to date the universe anyway as (as far as I'm aware) there is no way to count how many revolutions it's made.

4/26/2011 5:24:59 AM

Swede

Erm, I don't know much about cosmology, but even I can see that that made no sense, whatsoever.

The materia that would eventually become Earth orbited the sun for billions of years before it formed itself into Earth, stupid.
The orbiting came first, the actually formed planets came later.

Year is a man made concept, therefore there were no years before hominids first registered the change of the seasons, or what?
If a tree falls in the forest, and no-one is around, does it make any sound?

4/26/2011 5:35:22 AM

Anon2

In 1582, the "Gregorian Reform" took place. The old calendar went more and more out of sync with earth orbit around the sun, so Pope Gregor acclaimed that 10 days should be skipped in october. The day after 10/4/1582 was 10/15/1582.

Huge protests followed. People seriously thought that the pope would be "stealing" them 10 days of their lifes. Countless people really thought that they have to die 10 days earlier because of the calendar reform.

I thought that humanity made some progress since the 16th century. That everybody now knows that measurement units are nothing but a tool to quantify natural phenomena. "Agonaces of Susa" sadly proves otherwise...

I shouldn't wonder. I think this weird fundie post is connected with the ineradicable obsession of fundies with "absolute values".

4/26/2011 5:46:29 AM

Raised by Horses

My watch did not exist until 2003. Therefore, hours did not exist before that. Made things rather inconvenient when scheduling events, let me tell you.

4/26/2011 6:15:24 AM



Logic fail.

4/26/2011 6:41:06 AM

Brendan Rizzo

And this, folks, is why we shouldn't use the argument that Genesis may not have referred to six twenty-four hour days because there was no Sun before the fourth day. Agonaces of Susa has just appropriated the argument to fit her own views, and we can see how stupid it is. The real reason that creationism is false is because all the evidence contradicts it... we shouldn't deliberately weaken our case like that.

4/26/2011 7:40:16 AM

Etiene

Still more than 6000 years isn't it? Your fairy stories fail hard once more.

4/26/2011 7:52:58 AM

Doubting Thomas

Years still exist as a measurement of time, even though the earth did not yet exist. We know how many hours are in a year, so you fail.

4/26/2011 7:56:43 AM

DevilsChaplain

Huh?

4/26/2011 8:20:16 AM

Osiris

Yeah, 13 billion years of history rendered meaningless because our little speck of dirt we call Earth didn't exist yet.

4/26/2011 8:58:48 AM



Time measurement 101, did you ditch that class?

4/26/2011 9:19:32 AM

Dumble

Dionysus, actually, they couldn't because radiometric dating of rocks gives us the time since the rock has last been in a liquid state (magma). Because our planet is geologically active, rocks on the surface of the earth haven't been in a solid state since the beginning of the earth, but were instead liquefied an solidified several times throughout earth's history. Whereas in the moon there is no geological activity and no erosion, so rocks there have remained the same for a lot longer than our rocks. Measuring the age of moon rocks is based on the theory that both the moon and the earth rocks have approximately the same age.

4/26/2011 9:20:43 AM

rw23

> Furthermore the earth has not always been on it's present orbit so 13.7 billion years ago is a meaningless statement.

Only in your fuckwitted head.

4/26/2011 9:52:21 AM

aaa

Time doesn't work the way you think. To be honest, i question your ability to even comprehend matters this big.

4/26/2011 10:01:36 AM

dionysus

@Dumble

Good to know, thanks for the correction!

4/26/2011 10:07:50 AM

breakerslion

You did not exist before (insert date of birth here). You were a complete idiot when you were born, and I see you've worked hard to stay that way. Therefore, you are not allowed to talk about anything older than yourself.

4/26/2011 10:23:24 AM

JohnTheAtheist

12 inches was a meaningless statement before my cock.


4/26/2011 10:24:19 AM

Berny

Sometimes, I come to FSTDT and read something so mindnumingly stupid it makes me wonder what it is the poster read and completely fucked around.
This is one of those times.

4/26/2011 10:52:11 AM



"According to mainstream scientists and chronologists, based on uranium-lead series radiometric dating of moon rocks . . ."

Moon rocks were dated using the strontium-rubidium method dumbass.


At least he didn't claim they were carbon-dated.

4/26/2011 11:09:24 AM
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