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A collective brain is what you'd have if human communication prior to the incident associated with the tower of Babel were basically telepathic (which is one interpretation of Julian Jayne's findings), if Jaynes were correct in thinking that consciousness as we know it did not exist 4000 years ago, and if consciousness in those days were basically general rather than individual.

wendy1946, Free Republic 55 Comments [4/26/2011 5:28:10 AM]
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#1282459
dionysus

Telepathy, WTF? Lady, the story is about people speaking the same language and then after they tried to build a tower (funny how we can now build skyscrapers and god doesn't seem to care anymore) they were given different languages. If the story of the Tower of Babel is as much about telepathy and consciousness as Finding Nemo is about psychic levitation.

4/26/2011 5:41:36 AM
#1282466
Prager

Dear Wendy1946,

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste." It's too bad no one mentioned this to you while there was still hope for yours.

4/26/2011 5:51:01 AM
#1282468
WhiteNoise

So we were the Borgs back then?

4/26/2011 5:53:31 AM
#1282475
Trivia Jockey

>>So we were the Borgs back then?

Damn, you beat me to it.

:)

4/26/2011 6:06:12 AM
#1282476
The Jamo

"if Jaynes were correct..."

Right... what if he wasn't? Care to enlighten us?

4/26/2011 6:06:45 AM
#1282501
Mister Spak

The Borg built the tower of Babel?

Edit
AARG too late.

4/26/2011 6:49:07 AM
#1282511
Anon-e-moose

As you (via the Bible) suggests, prior to the Tower of Babel 'incident', man had no intellectual capacity to create their own unique languages; the same can be said to this day, amirite?

Two words, wendy1946: Esperanto. Klingon.

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

Good luck with rationalising your way out of that one. Qapla'. (that's 'Success' in Klingon, for the hard of thinking like you, wendypoos.)

4/26/2011 7:05:35 AM
#1282513
Lucilius

That's not what Jaynes said. The only way to get "telepathy" from his theory is to be thoroughly demented yourself. You definitely qualify for that, Wendy.

4/26/2011 7:09:27 AM
#1282514
Swede

If the sky was orange back then, then apples would grow on pear-trees.
What? I'm not allowed to create word sallad, but you are?

4/26/2011 7:12:09 AM
#1282521
Papabear

If Jaynes were correct I'd have to start believing in miracles.

4/26/2011 7:20:17 AM
#1282534
Brendan Rizzo

Truly, fundies will believe absolutely anything as long as it's untrue. Well, they had to do it. They had to take my faith in humanity, print it out, shred the paper it's printed on to pieces, burn the remains, and scatter the ashes out at sea. Why must I share the same species as these people?!?!?!

4/26/2011 7:30:12 AM
#1282536
David B.

The story of the Towel of Babel is set after the events of the Great Flood, hence after the incident of Noah's drunkenness and his sons' intervention. In that account, Noah acts and speaks as an individual, as do Ham, Shem and Japheth.

Your explanation does not even agree with your own book of fairytales. Apologetics fail.

4/26/2011 7:31:17 AM
#1282537
Doubting Thomas

Is this like how a lot of ESP proponents claim that cavemen were able to communicate telepathically, but since it was a bad thing for everyone to read everyone's thoughts we developed the ability to hide our telepathic abilities so that now only a few people known as "psychics" have that ability?

Or are you just stark raving mad?

4/26/2011 7:32:56 AM
#1282558
TheReasonator

If everybody shared the same thoughts we would be a collective brain just like our neurons sharing their information with each other makes us one brain rather than a society of neurons.

Since there is no evidence of everyone in the world living together much less sharing the stame thoughts we can say this didn't happen.

4/26/2011 8:13:01 AM
#1282565
breakerslion

Basically, there is no basis in fact for your hypothesis. Basically, there is no basis in fact for the "godidit" explanation for an under-engineered tower collapsing, assuming that it wasn't just a metaphor to begin with. Basically, you are attempting to falsely attribute a theory of psychic powers to Jaynes, who postulated auditory hallucinations. Basically, Jaynes missed the mark and so did you.

4/26/2011 8:27:41 AM
#1282566
Raised by Horses

How does that even... I don't... what?

Are you people just throwing together random sentences now?

4/26/2011 8:30:11 AM
#1282576
Murdin

Wouldn't that be... brain socialism ?

4/26/2011 9:00:54 AM
#1282577
Osiris

See this is why the Catholic Church originally made it so only the priests could read the Bible and all the priests had the same interpretations of the Bible. Now we have everyone speaking one language turning into telepathy and hive mind collective thinking.

4/26/2011 9:01:49 AM
#1282586


Obviously, you speak only English and you expect the rest of the world to do the same. Otherwise, you'd not make such a stupid comment on the tower of Babel.

4/26/2011 9:24:24 AM
#1282601
rw23

Magical idea used to explain supernatural event claimed in fictional book. Bored now.

4/26/2011 9:49:27 AM
#1282625
Berny

Except for the one thing Julian Jayne was lacking in making that conclusion.
Evidence. There is none, either for purported telepathy or this mythical tower of Babel.

4/26/2011 10:37:09 AM
#1282630
TWoozl

Translated:

"I fail logic. FLIBBLE FLIBBLE SPECULATOR MAXIMUM makes me right."

4/26/2011 10:45:21 AM
#1282642


You're making shit up about something that never happened.

4/26/2011 11:06:38 AM
#1282647
Allegory for Jesus

Gotta love fundies. Humans were all semi-immortal, psychic giants before that magic world-wide flood that carved out the Grand Canyon in 40 days and left the rest of surface relatively unsculpted. And who needs physical evidence for these fantastical beliefs, as long as the person shoveling this shit to them does it in the name of Phantom Jeebus?

4/26/2011 11:12:52 AM
#1282655
anti-nonsense

well this is a new one. Have to hand it to you Wendy, you came up with a flavour of crazy I've never seen before.

4/26/2011 11:25:58 AM
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