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A collective brain is what you'd have if human communication prior to the incident associated with the tower of Babel were basically telepathic (which is one interpretation of Julian Jayne's findings), if Jaynes were correct in thinking that consciousness as we know it did not exist 4000 years ago, and if consciousness in those days were basically general rather than individual.

wendy1946, Free Republic 55 Comments [4/26/2011 5:28:10 AM]
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Old Viking

This is so bad it isn't even senseless. It just floats there like a turd in a punchbowl.

4/26/2011 12:11:09 PM


Why are your justifications for these myths always so goddamned ridiculous? I've heard people justify the bible saying that god changed the speed of light for a couple of hundred of years!

The SIMPLEST solution is the best, NOT the DUMBEST!!

4/26/2011 12:33:58 PM


I have Jayne's book, and he never advocates telepathy. You are a bald-faced liar.

4/26/2011 12:39:33 PM

Mihangel apYrs

where's the picture of bunnies and pancakes?

It makes more sense than this gibbering from wendeeeee!

4/26/2011 12:50:32 PM


For those who are interested, in a nutshell, the Bicameral Mind was Jaynes' theory that humans prior to around 3000 B.C were essentially only externally-aware in much the same way that other higher animals are. They weren't truly self-aware or conscious in any way that we would understand, and weren't capable of the sort of abstract thought or autobiographical conscious that we take for granted--rather, those people would experience what we think of as "thought" or inspiration as a hallucinatory sort of voice from the portions of their brains that exercised what we think of as metaconscious cognition, and were compelled to obey its commands without any ability to recognize "why" they were doing whatever they were doing, in a manner somewhat akin to that of a modern-day schizophrenic. At some point in the distant past, this state broke down and the human mind completely integrated into what we recognize as a normal conscious state, and the "voices" commanding people to courses of action mostly stopped. This event marked the beginning of what we think of as civilization today.

It's interesting to note that even IF Jaynes' theory is actually true, then it means that what humans thought of as the voices of the gods commanding and compelling men were nothing more than the chatter of the "thinking" portions of their brain telling them what to do, and that the beginnings of most religions are rooted in the struggle of the now fully-self-aware people to bring the voices back.

4/26/2011 2:50:02 PM


At least she didn't try to invoke Jung's collective unconscious I'd have to ritually destroy myself if I heard that.

4/26/2011 3:46:13 PM


Yeah...no that didn't happen.

4/26/2011 4:00:57 PM


Yeah, were he correct.

4/26/2011 4:16:01 PM

Old man of mountain

Babiru nisei is not documentary

4/26/2011 8:57:10 PM


...And after Babel, everyone had a functioning brain? I can see that for some people, but not all.

4/26/2011 9:30:28 PM


Julian Jaynes sounds like a porn star name.

4/27/2011 1:15:47 AM


What the fuck is this shit. Also Babel is a story until proven factual and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TELEPATHY. YOU ARE A MORON!!!!

4/27/2011 1:30:54 AM


What is this crap supposed to be.

4/27/2011 2:40:21 AM

Some guy

God was obviously afraid of being assimilated. He should know that resistance is futile.

4/27/2011 3:15:33 AM


What is this I don't even...

4/27/2011 5:05:49 AM

That's called making shit up.

4/27/2011 5:10:09 AM



"Also Babel is a story until proven factual"

Burj Khalifa, Dubai. International Space Station (NASA, Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA).

Esperanto. Klingon.

I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

4/27/2011 7:51:40 AM



4/27/2011 8:00:08 AM


Come this way, dear. Those nice people in the white coats have a lovely place in the country where you will be well looked after...

4/27/2011 8:46:30 AM


I think we would have to be telepathic to extract meaning from this gibberish. Unfortunately we are not and this makes no sense despite Tempus' excellent explanation of Jaynes' ideas.

4/27/2011 11:16:27 AM


Heh! Just another loony, but at least this one is entertaining.

@Old man of mountain:
"Babiru nisei is not documentary"

You, sir, win an Internet! :P

4/27/2011 2:14:39 PM


Another for the list of things we used to be before god decided life didn't suck enough.

I'm sticking this between "immortal" and "12 feet tall".

4/27/2011 8:52:39 PM


The Good: Hmm, yes, I suppose a "collective brain" would be pretty much what would result from the situation you describe.
The Bad: Everything leading up to and from that conclusion is batshit crazy spaghetti confetti bananahammock.

4/27/2011 9:23:38 PM


I do believe in the paranormal.

I also believe that wendy, here, is full of shit, and this "Julian Jayne" fellow is most likely a fraud.

4/27/2011 9:46:01 PM

David B.


Nope, he's genuine, reputable and honest. But a bit "out there".

4/28/2011 3:46:31 AM

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