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It seems to me that Homeopathy does work.

Does it really? Maybe the people to ask are the patients and their Doctors, instead of a bunch of frustrated lab nitwits up on their statistics and double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled “studies”. The life threatening illnesses, and their cures, don’t happen in those labs, they happen in the real world, which, oh by the way, is not the domain of the lab b0ffins nor their politicized masters.

Can it possibly work and how? Can a rocket possibly carry men to the moon? How about lasers…are they possible? In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense.
Who knows until scientists and researchers have had a go at it. Could quantum phenomena be inovlved? Again, who knows until its researched. Neither side can be sure of anything till that’s done. Neither side has the edge on deciding and there’s still those doctors and patients insisting that they benefited from it. What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.


ScepticsBane, Bad Astronomy 68 Comments [4/26/2011 5:30:51 AM]
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emau99

The life threatening illnesses, and their cures, don’t happen in those labs

Like hell they don't.

Again, who knows until its researched. Neither side can be sure of anything till that’s done.

It HAS been researched. By your own admission, statistically valid, double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled studies have been conducted--you just don't care for the results.

It isn't the "frustrated lab nitwits" or the "lab boffins" who are putting politics before science, ScepticsBane. It's you.

4/26/2011 8:17:15 AM

Raised by Horses

"It seems to me that Homeopathy does work."

It seems to me that you are a fool with too much money to spend.

Unfortunately, homeopathy can only remedy the latter of these two problems.

4/26/2011 8:32:13 AM

Felis >:3

One word:

EVIDENCE.

NOW FUCK OFF.

4/26/2011 9:21:13 AM



Science doesn't work that way. Neither does Homeopathy, what a fraud.

4/26/2011 9:25:41 AM

rw23

He used the word 'quantum' in a discussion concerning alternative medicine. That's the equivalent of mentioning Nazis in an argument about non-far-right politics.

4/26/2011 9:46:24 AM

Berny

Homeopathy is garbage. Thoroughly debunked and disproven. The people defending it with nonsense about "quantum" anything are morons.
ScepticsBane is a bane to sceptics the way poison ivy is a bane to hikers. It's certainly not because of his cogent and well reasoned arguments.

4/26/2011 10:27:42 AM

Beltaine

Homeopathy has been found to be an effective cure for two, and only two, conditions.

1) Dehydration
2) Heavy wallet syndrome

4/26/2011 10:48:35 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Medicine is not the domain of researchers.
But we can't know if homeopathy doesn't work for sure until we do research...

WTF?

Yes, homeopathy is all a placebo effect, and even that may be giving it too much credit.

4/26/2011 11:07:50 AM

Sisyphus

If homeopathy worked in any way (other than the placebo effect) then it would work on animals. It doesn't.

4/26/2011 11:10:27 AM



ScepticsBane logic:

Who knows if homeopathy works until it's researched; but ignore the research.

PS, lasers were predicted by Einstein back in the early part of the 20th century; so no, they wouldn't have been dismissed as nonsense in the 1930's.

4/26/2011 11:28:09 AM

SpacemanSpiff

So....we can't trust researchers, lets see what the researchers have to say about it.

Makes perfect sense.

4/26/2011 11:53:43 AM

gravematter

Sisyphus- Actually, homeopathy does sometimes work on animals. BUT, interestingly, the placebo effect has also been shown to work on animals. It's down to things like animals trusting medicine because their owners have used it in the past, the way they're handled when given medicine, and lots of other animal psychology. But homeopathy for either humans or animals has been shown to have precisely the same efficacy as placebo.

4/26/2011 11:53:45 AM

Old Viking

I get all mushy when you use "quantum."

4/26/2011 12:05:10 PM



Fucking magnets how do they work?

4/26/2011 1:18:37 PM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

Fuckin magnets...how do they work?

JK. But homeopathy doesn't work. It's like god...not only is it completely unsupported by evidence, but it is also impossible according to the current laws of physics.

4/26/2011 1:46:07 PM

Tempus

Except that modern rockets and lasers are both rooted in peer-reviewed science and engineering, instead of people selling snake-oil and making shit up as they go along. Much like modern medicine.

You fail.

4/26/2011 3:01:27 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

Rockets and lasers exist because of those lab "b0ffins", genius.

4/26/2011 3:18:27 PM

casewithscience

Ok, ok - Lets do away with control tests and science and turn to that ever accurate means of determining truth - anecdotal evidence, hooray.

4/26/2011 3:28:50 PM

Cartman

Goddamn hippie!

4/26/2011 3:39:39 PM

Osiris

What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.
We won't know until we try.

4/26/2011 3:55:47 PM

Canadia

Generally, with science, saying something is just 'UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE AND HAS NO CHANCE IN HELL OF EVER HAPPENING DAMNITALLLLLL!1!' ends up making you look like a fool when things don't exactly turn out that way.

4/26/2011 4:15:09 PM

MikeSihl

Except they tested roxkets and lasers and found them to work, but when they tested homeopathy they found that it was just water.

If water has memory then it's full of shit!

4/26/2011 5:36:46 PM

vtcommie

Massive, massive fail.

4/26/2011 5:43:11 PM

lisamariefan

Critical thinking failure.

Oh, and you know that they test the physics of things like rocket ships and shit and other stuff on a small scale in the lab first, right?

4/26/2011 9:06:38 PM

WWWWolf

> What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.

If the odds aren't zero, then you should be able to demonstrate the effects in controlled experiments, no? If the effects really happen in real life, then they should also happen in the experiments, no?

It's not like the drug "knows" that it's being tested an stops working just to fuck with you. If it did that, what would stop it from "knowing" that it's being tested and work twice as effectively, thus ensuring that people trust in it?

Ddddduh.

4/27/2011 2:14:45 AM
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