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It seems to me that Homeopathy does work.

Does it really? Maybe the people to ask are the patients and their Doctors, instead of a bunch of frustrated lab nitwits up on their statistics and double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled “studies”. The life threatening illnesses, and their cures, don’t happen in those labs, they happen in the real world, which, oh by the way, is not the domain of the lab b0ffins nor their politicized masters.

Can it possibly work and how? Can a rocket possibly carry men to the moon? How about lasers…are they possible? In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense.
Who knows until scientists and researchers have had a go at it. Could quantum phenomena be inovlved? Again, who knows until its researched. Neither side can be sure of anything till that’s done. Neither side has the edge on deciding and there’s still those doctors and patients insisting that they benefited from it. What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.


ScepticsBane, Bad Astronomy 68 Comments [4/26/2011 5:30:51 AM]
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aaa

Thanks for this pile of nonsense. You should know better than this.

4/27/2011 2:54:39 AM

Orion

"If you show me
That, say, homeopathy works,
Then I will change my mind
I’ll spin on a fucking dime
I’ll be embarrassed as hell,
But I will run through the streets yelling
It’s a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory!
And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is Infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!

You show me that it works and how it works
And when I’ve recovered from the shock
I will take a compass and carve Fancy That on the side of my cock.”

- Tim Minchin

4/27/2011 3:50:30 AM

The_L

I have no problems with the idea of supplementing modern medicine with traditional folk remedies, so long as you discuss them with your doctor first.

I do have a major problem with anti-intellectuals acting as if medical science and trained professionals can do no right.

4/27/2011 5:03:32 AM

Xotan

Then explain to me how a friend recently had a severe stroke after he abandoned his medication in favour of homeopathic treatment. It's not sure that he will ever recover sufficiently to be able to live anything approaching a normal life. A tribute to the effectiveness of fools.

4/27/2011 8:42:46 AM

Drax

Yeah, homeopathy works! It cured my dehydration!

4/27/2011 11:54:15 AM

Ludd

Argument from 'I don't care what your stupid science says, so there!'.

"Lasers how the fuck they work?"

4/27/2011 12:07:56 PM

Wehpudicabok

It seems to me that Homeopathy does work.

Then you clearly have read nothing about it.

Does it really? Maybe the people to ask are the patients and their Doctors, instead of a bunch of frustrated lab nitwits up on their statistics and double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled “studies”.

If having an illness made someone an authority on curing it, nobody would need doctors in the first place. And those studies you so ignorantly mock are what has steadily increased the human lifespan over the last century.

The life threatening illnesses, and their cures, don’t happen in those labs, they happen in the real world, which, oh by the way, is not the domain of the lab b0ffins nor their politicized masters.

I am curious. If doctors aren't studying how to cure people in the real world, what the hell are they studying?

Can it possibly work and how? Can a rocket possibly carry men to the moon? How about lasers…are they possible? In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense.

And rightly so, until the evidence began to support those possibilities. No evidence has supported homeopathy beyond the placebo effect, ever. I can make up shit and sell it like it won a Nobel Prize, but it's still shit.

4/27/2011 3:42:02 PM

Wehpudicabok

(continued...)

Who knows until scientists and researchers have had a go at it. Could quantum phenomena be inovlved? Again, who knows until its researched. Neither side can be sure of anything till that’s done.

It HAS been done. Long story short: "...the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects."

Neither side has the edge on deciding and there’s still those doctors and patients insisting that they benefited from it.

No doubt a simple placebo. Cognitive biases color every human perception. That's the point of experimentation in the first place.

What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.

What are the odds that there was any basis in reality for that claim? Zero.

4/27/2011 3:43:39 PM

Steven Mading

While this is stupid, it's not a specifically a religious fundy thing.

There should be another category (like there is for racists and conspiracy nuts) for pseudo-science woo belief like this.

4/27/2011 8:36:48 PM

TheJebusFire

Those "frustrated lab nitwits" probably know more on the subject than you do.

4/27/2011 9:08:51 PM

WMDKitty

Whoa. Orac would blow a fucking fuse if he read this quote!

Homeopathy is just woo. It doesn't work. It never has, it never will. Sugar pills and plain water is all you're taking, and those -- much like the goggles -- do nothing.

Science-based medicine (SBM), on the other hand, has a long and proven track record of healing people, or at least relieving their pain while dying.

4/27/2011 9:33:36 PM

vaiyt

Those scientists, with their science and facts and wanting actual results instead of feel-good babble!

> Who knows until scientists and researchers have had a go at it.

THEY DID. AND THEY FOUND NOTHING.

4/28/2011 7:42:21 AM

szaleniec

How about lasers…are they possible? In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense.

No it wouldn't. The theory behind stimulated emission was already well established by then. The question of applying it to visible light was one of how it could be done in practice, not whether it was theoretically possible. If you'd said the 1830s, you might have had a point.

Could quantum phenomena be inovlved? [...] What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.

This juxtaposition is beautiful. If you'd actually studied quantum mechanics, you'd know how nonsensical declaring something to have zero probability is.

4/28/2011 4:56:29 PM

Brianisha

The body heals itself. No medicine needed. As for major shit, go to a hospital or use weed resin.

4/30/2011 6:34:17 PM



To be fair, most problems just need rest and a decent diet. I can see how one could consider a good idea to "trick" a mostly hysterical patient who absolutely demands to be given <i>something</i> for thing such as the common cold. Not to speak in the case of children with paranoid parents who will kick and scream and sue if the doctor does not proscribe some kind of medicine for their little baby, even if so would cause more harm than good.

That said, refusing to accept scientific studies unless they agree with you is incredibly stupid.

5/2/2011 7:47:59 AM

tracer

"Can a rocket possibly carry men to the moon? ... In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense."

In the 1930s, Robert Goddard was already sending liquid-fuelled rockets high into the atmosphere, and discussing the use of rockets to send payloads to the moon.

In the two+ CENTURIES since homeopathy was first introduced, no evidence of its efficacy stronger than anecdotal evidence has ever come to light.

5/3/2011 3:16:22 PM

Tempus

You're going to need to supply repeatable evidence that it works under controlled conditions.

If you can't do that, then you can't prove it works as science demands, period. Because everything you cited, lasers, and spacecraft, and quantum phenomena, had to be proven under repeated, rigorously-controlled conditions.

5/3/2011 3:33:10 PM

furbearingbrick

Rockets and lasers work, therefore homeopathy does? Wait, what?!

8/31/2011 3:40:44 PM
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