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God is the only one who possesses intrinsic worth, and if he decides that the existence of evil will ultimately serve to glorify him, then the decree is by definition good and justified. One who thinks that God's glory is not worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself and humanity. A creature's worth can only be derived from and given by his creator, and in light of the purpose for which the creator made him. Since God is the sole standard of measurement, if he thinks something is justified, then it is by definition justified

Vincent Cheung, Vincent Cheung.com 125 Comments [4/27/2011 3:16:37 AM]
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gay deist

sorry, but since I can only view the world from my perspective, I can't help but feel that the most important values are my own and those of my partner.

Doesn't mean I don't care about others and what they have to say. But my own interests are naturally going to be given priority unless altruism takes over for the moment.

I choose to assert the idea that we as humans are above the universe and cosmos in importance, guess I'll go to hell or whatever?

4/27/2011 6:15:21 AM

Doubting Thomas

Short version: Might makes right.

4/27/2011 6:43:07 AM

toast

Except that God would never say that evil is good. Despite the twisting around of the Bible's teachings by hate groups and political self-interest, God's ultimate desire for humans is that we love one another and live as rightly as possible (that is, not flinging insults or bombs at one another).

I know I'm in the minority on this site, and I realize that the first problem many who read this (if anyone does) will have is "you can't prove God exists." I accept that. I'm not asking you to believe God exists. But anyone who claims to be a Christian and spouts anything like what Mr. Cheung has said is either a liar or completely off the rails.

Assume for just a moment that a truly omnipotent (capable of anything short of paradox), omniscient that could logically be called a god exists, and that the Bible's description of that being is accurate:
- God is the creator of the universe and all of its component parts.
- God is the originator of life.
- God looked at everything He made in the natural world and declared it to be good.
- God, being the ultimate being, has inherent self-worth.
- After creating man, God endowed mankind with some of His spirit.

If you claim to believe in the Judeo-Christian God, it then follows that you believe every human being, past present and future, is a creature deserving of life.

You may, if you so choose, now cease assuming there is a God.

I'm no theologian, so issues like the Pro-Life/Pro-Choice, the death penalty etc. are beyond me. But I think it's a good start, no?

4/27/2011 6:44:57 AM

Anon-e-moose

"God is the only one who possesses intrinsic worth, and if he decides that the existence of evil will ultimately serve to glorify him, then the decree is by definition good and justified. One who thinks that God's glory is not worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself and humanity. A creature's worth can only be derived from and given by his creator, and in light of the purpose for which the creator made him. Since God is the sole standard of measurement, if he thinks something is justified, then it is by definition justified"

Ahem:



If your so-called 'God' existed, even he can never justify his own existence (he doesn't have the common courtesy to actually show himself to us, just to prove his existence. How worthless is that?!). And as the above pic proved (from a late 19th Century magazine/newspaper) - and continues to prove to this day - we Atheists are infinitely superior to your so-called 'God'. Further proof?:



And I've never killed anyone in my life, nor do I want to, ever. Ergo, I am more than infinitely superior to your 'God', Vinny-boy. Your 'God' is inferior - even to the AIDS virus (after all, at least a mere virus doesn't discriminate re. who it infects & kills; 'Sinner' or 'Saved', it's all the same to it), and therefore is worth less than zero. QED.

4/27/2011 7:03:08 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Arbitrary morality is immoral.

4/27/2011 7:03:55 AM

Horsefeathers

"God is the only one who possesses intrinsic worth, and if he decides that the existence of evil will ultimately serve to glorify him, then the decree is by definition good and justified."

Sounds like you're just making excuses for your omnipotent god's distinct lack of action when it comes to the Problem of Evil.

"One who thinks that God's glory is not worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself and humanity."

You're fucked up. So is your perverse monster god.

"A creature's worth can only be derived from and given by his creator, and in light of the purpose for which the creator made him."

You realize this goes for you too, right? You're basically telling me that I can do whatever I want to you since you aren't worth anything.

Either you're incredibly stupid and don't realize what you're saying, incredibly arrogant and don't think that what you're saying applies to you also (which is what most people saying such shit think) or you're in need of a good dominatrix to let you live out all of your fantasies of being worthless without someone superior to grovel to.

"Since God is the sole standard of measurement, if he thinks something is justified, then it is by definition justified"

This is absurd.

4/27/2011 7:07:03 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Two words: Fuck and you.

I guess that is three words. Whatever.

4/27/2011 7:25:00 AM

John

Fundie Beliefs #23 - Theodicy

"Theodicy" is the attempt to explain why a benevolent and all-powerful God lets bad things happen to people. For example, why does He allow an entire city to be destroyed by an earthquake? No problem. There’s simply no such thing as "bad". Either

a) He’s "testing" you to see if you’re strong enough to deal with adversity,
b) It’s part of "His plan", and we don’t know what that plan is, but it’s sure to be a good one, or
c) It was Satan’s fault, and it would’ve been a whole lot worse if God hadn’t stepped in and put a stop to it.

Imagine how many more people would have died on 9/11 if God hadn’t been there to stop Satan and those heathen Muslims from doing worse. And don’t forget, if it hadn’t been for Hitler, no one would have believed all those Jews whining about the phony "holocaust" and given them back Israel. Plus what would make you love God more: praying to win the Powerball jackpot and actually winning, or praying not to destroy your home with a tornado and having the tornado destroy your home anyway? Obviously, the latter!

4/27/2011 7:38:43 AM



"One who thinks that God's glory is not worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself and humanity."

THUNK! (That was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor)

4/27/2011 7:39:12 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This is just... wow, this is just abominable. I guess Vincent Cheung does not believe in human rights, no sirree, so if the rich and powerful want to oppress everyone else than it is their God-given "right" to do so as only God has intrinsic worth. Thus, as long as they say that they're glorifying God they have carte blanche when it comes to morals. Why does that seem so damn familiar...?

I rarely say this, but please die in a fire, Cheung. You deserve it. After all, your life has no intrinsic worth, according to your own professed belief. Oh, what's that you say? You don't want to kill yourself by walking into a fire? Well then, doesn't than mean that... life... has worth? Just because people are alive, they deserve to live? What a novel concept! (/sarcam)

Ponder that.

4/27/2011 7:58:03 AM

aaa

Well, this certainly is something.

4/27/2011 8:02:38 AM

Hasher

God is a real dickhead isn't he?

4/27/2011 8:04:07 AM

loki

Why does God need glory?

Because god was born in a old testament Jewish world where the main law was "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", then it had its childhood in the militaristic Roman Empire and had its puberty in the Medieval Western and Eastern-European absolute monarchies and Western European warrior culture and it is now trying to make a living in a secular driven Western European culture.

4/27/2011 8:07:42 AM

Xotan

This person does not seem to realise that what he is saying is simply this: Evil is Good.

So, Vincent, if I conceive an evil desire to find you and cut your balls off, this evil act is actually glorifying God? what a strange way of thinking!

4/27/2011 8:15:08 AM

StoneSpiral

So, you think things like abortion and gay rights are for god alone to judge then.. right?

4/27/2011 8:27:40 AM

breakerslion

I'm sorry, all I heard was, "Mmmmfff mmm mmm mmmmfff mmmmfff!" Would you mind taking your head out of your ass and trying again?

4/27/2011 8:28:46 AM

Murdin

God doesn't believe in any higher power besides himself, only values himself, and judge the morality of all things according to his own interests. In other words, in the fundie mind, the only difference between God and an atheist is that one is all-powerful and the other isn't. Think about it.

4/27/2011 8:35:21 AM

Passerby

In your logic, just who exactly is fit to decree that death and suffering bring glory to God?

If a creature's worth is defined solely by it's creator then I submit humanity is absolutely fit to say what His glory is worth. We've been shaping Him in our image since before Religion became an institution.

I've lost track of how many religious nuts have stated flatly that human life has no intrinsic worth. It's somewhere equal to the number of idiots that claim atheists place no value on life.

I'm happy for the people that fill a void in their lives with their beliefs, but people like you I pity. Believing yourself worthless and your God a sadistic egomaniac your life must be so hollow.

4/27/2011 8:52:21 AM

Mephistopheles

This creature doesn't seem worthy of any kind of worship, but only scorn and despite.

4/27/2011 9:09:37 AM

LAchlan

You've taken that too far......

4/27/2011 9:13:56 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Paraphrase: God is good by definition, therefore God creating evil is an act of good.

Gotta love mental gymnastics.

4/27/2011 9:38:49 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

If a man has the ability to stop an evil act, and instead does nothing; that man should be considered evil as if he had committed the act himself. If this is the standard to which we hold humanity, it is fair to hold god to at least this standard.

Evil exists in the world, therefore no deity can be both good and omnipotent. Any god that does exist either chooses not to stop evil from happening (and is therefore evil), lacks the ability to do so (and is therefore impotent), or both.

Cheung's argument only reinforces the idea that God is evil, as God either actively creates death and destruction, or passively chooses to allow it to happen solely for the purpose of stroking its own ego.

4/27/2011 9:41:47 AM

Osiris

Why does God need to be glorified? And why does God deem billions of people suffering to be adequate glorification? Could it be that he's a deranged tyrant who deserves nothing? I say yes.

4/27/2011 9:50:56 AM

Skatepunk

(Can't find the picture)

The Word of God: Apparantly the same as one's personal opinion.

4/27/2011 9:55:46 AM

Skyknight

{performing reconnaissance, albeit by Wikipedia}

Ack, he's from Boston?! And I'm there, too...

Not much of a surprise that he's a Calvinist. So not only is God the only one with intrinsic worth, he's also the only one with any real agency? Now, where does that leave someone like myself who regards the concepts of Fate and Destiny as inherently evil...?

4/27/2011 10:11:22 AM
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