Quote# 80865

God is the only one who possesses intrinsic worth, and if he decides that the existence of evil will ultimately serve to glorify him, then the decree is by definition good and justified. One who thinks that God's glory is not worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself and humanity. A creature's worth can only be derived from and given by his creator, and in light of the purpose for which the creator made him. Since God is the sole standard of measurement, if he thinks something is justified, then it is by definition justified

Vincent Cheung, Vincent Cheung.com 129 Comments [4/27/2011 3:16:37 AM]
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Filin De Blanc

"God is the only one who possesses intrinsic worth,"

Says who?

5/18/2012 4:59:27 PM


You know how some atheists think that God as told in the Bible was evil? That makes it kind of hilarious that fundamentalists are convinced that God is even more evil than they do.

7/11/2012 10:21:41 AM

If a parent, say, murders their child, we condemn them.

This is because the child was a person, with thoughts and feelings of their own. They could not be said to 'belong' to their parents; they were an individual.

The same is true of god. Our lives have value, which is why we condemn those murderers, creation does not justify our destruction, hence the above example, and we do not belong to your morally bankrupt god, again illustrated by my example. He does not have the right -- assuming he exists, which I do not believe -- to take our lives, and such an act is morally reprehensible to all reasonable people.

7/12/2012 12:59:23 PM

hmm, what to say .. lets see

... I dunno .....



7/12/2012 4:45:56 PM


But if god has no creator, then doesn't that make him worthless?

7/18/2012 8:51:42 PM


Blame not the God for the ignorance or outright stupidity of the follower, but take heart that in the end they must answer for what they have done in life to said Diety

8/7/2012 11:14:55 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Sorry, your imaginary friend is just that.

9/7/2012 10:55:25 AM

Quantum Mechanic


1/24/2013 9:19:42 PM


One who thinks that God's glory is worth the death and suffering of billions of people has too high an opinion of himself.


1/29/2013 2:59:13 AM


When it comes down to fact, what fundies like to call "absolute morality" is really more arbitrary than any human could replicate, with such hits as "Don't kill unless I tell you to" and "Don't wear clothes of mixed materials" and "Don't eat shellfish right now, but you can in a thousand years or so. Why? Who cares? I'm bigger than you.".

1/29/2013 6:38:13 PM


Sounds like a bit of a big-head then.

2/16/2013 8:09:03 AM


Wow, just got inspiration to write some cosmic horror...

2/28/2013 11:27:27 AM


For the record, the link above no longer works because it looks like Cheung consolidated his writings into a few large .pdfs. "The Problem of Evil" is now a chapter of "Author of Sin".


EDIT: @1423035 Unfortunately, it looks like Cheung anticipated you. According to him, our every thought is specifically planned and activated by God. The horrifically baleful ones included. And he actually says at one point that we have a moral duty not to sin, even if he expressly made that impossible for any given person! Shouldn't be much of a surprise that he deems moral responsibility to be presupposed by divine sovereignty, not free will, the existence of which he thinks would undermine God's omnipotence.

And yes, in the first parts of that aggregate, Cheung gives what he thinks is why God created reprobates with no intention of letting them even think of atoning. It's so the elect have a way to see his wrath in action, and thus be able to glorify that part of him along with everything else.

3/23/2013 10:13:39 AM

Andrew Sphunks

But God does value his creatures!

Matthew 10:28-31
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

And that's just one verse out of many which I am too lazy (admittedly) to recount. Some Christian you are. You give God a bad name.

4/30/2013 7:08:54 AM


This is portraying god as a child abuser.


6/8/2013 1:38:12 PM


So . . . God is evil and that's okay?

I'm joining Lucifer, thanks.

11/28/2013 4:20:42 AM

Goomy pls

Looks like Führerprinzip? Yup.
Works like Führerprinzip? Yup.
Yiffs like Führerprinzip? Yup.

Ergo, it's Führerprinzip.

12/29/2013 8:14:37 PM

Goomy pls


I see the joke. It's infinitely imaginary, am I right?

12/29/2013 10:39:36 PM

Invalidating 20 centuries of theology, millionth part.

1/1/2014 5:11:29 AM


He makes God sound even more like a fantasy villain.

2/4/2014 12:20:08 PM

White Steinway

God is not the sole standard of measurement. God is a concept of which we measure our pain.

2/26/2014 10:39:22 AM


This man is a psychopath. Put him in a brain scanner and I've no doubt you'll see some very very weird things.

That said, if this is all supposedly predetermined anyway, why not find him and feed him feet first into a wood chipper? That too, after all, would be to the glory of God. And suppose it turns out he's not elect? Then his screams echoing through eternity will be as well.

3/8/2014 4:04:10 PM

the good samaritan

So, uh, I guess that whole, "God so loved the world" thing is lost on you, then?

6/7/2014 5:07:43 PM

Alex Mercer Esq

I'm personally convinced that Vincent isn't actually worshiping the Christian God. I think he's actually worshiping some insane lovecraftian deity imprisoned in the depths of an endless void where time and space have no meaning.

Expect him to start praying to Azathoth,Nyalathotep, Yog-Shoggoth or The Great Old Ones any day soon.

6/24/2014 4:19:56 AM


You're really, really scary...

...but, you forgot the step where you provide tangible evidence for the existence of your particular deity.

6/24/2014 7:14:48 AM

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