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I believe eating animals should be done behind closed doors. You don’t see murder or pedophilia or rape openly condoned in the streets, after all – do you?

For people to continue this shameful and disgusting act it would require that they get their animal parts and pieces wrapped in brown “butcher” paper, acquired from some hidden, underground (illegal) source of course. There would be no billboards or commercials suggesting such a “private” act as flesh eating. No bbq events dedicated to the ritual of consuming burned legs, thighs & breasts, no golden arches, no neon lit steakhouses, no singing “hotdogs” or “case ready” meats.



Bea, Vegan Soapbox 141 Comments [4/28/2011 3:49:32 AM]
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Submitted By: AtroposHeart
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LDM

Just try and ban meat here in Kansas City, I dare ya. We'd still be chowing down our brisket and gnawing on our ribs, and throwing the bones at you as we laugh you out of town. This place is a meat-eater's paradise, and that's not about to change.

I'm suddenly craving some bbq....

@Pilotess-that actually sounds pretty good!

4/28/2011 11:36:50 AM

Greasetrap The Viking

And as a vegan, I think idiotic tirades like this should be done behind closed doors. You just give the rest of us a bad name.

4/28/2011 11:43:50 AM

Lpopman

Vegetarian here, so I feel compelled to respond..

First of all Bea, shame on you for trying to connect eating meat with murder, peadophilia and rape. People like you make it even harder to get the healthy living message across.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, we humans are omnivores. As such, we shouldn't even suggest that it's immoral to eat meat. We should instead concentrate on the lack of ethics involved in the factory farming industry.

Lastly, I don't think that I've come across a fundamentalist vegan that thinks like you in about 20 yrs or so. And I used to hang with the ALF (Animal Liberation Front, for you non-uk people) back then.

4/28/2011 11:44:32 AM

The Duelist

We have canines. We are carnivores. So go back to the bottom of the food chain from whence ye came, "bad hunters"!!

4/28/2011 11:51:10 AM

Skyknight

One should consider the Buddhist monasteries in the Himalayan area. In Buddhism, vegetarianism is indeed the ideal, but in a none-too-arable place like the Himalayas, that isn't exactly viable. Solution: use yaks for sustenance. Reasoning: one yak supplies a LOT of meat. Basically, it's an attempt to maximize the ratio of animal lives sustained:animal lives taken.

I wonder if a case could also be made for utilizing echinoderms (e.g. sea cucumbers) and lower mollusks (clams, oysters, mussels, etc.; not octopi, squid, or cuttlefish), on account of them not having any way to suffer pain (that we've found out, anyway).

4/28/2011 12:17:27 PM

Pilotess

Seriously, and people think I'm nuts for not eating eggs and milk products! I've heard of Frutarians but Breatharianism seriously takes the crown of food crazy (or non-food crazy)

Just let people live and eat the way they want to, I might draw the line at Canibalism.

4/28/2011 12:25:09 PM

Pilotess

WTH - double post again?

4/28/2011 12:34:19 PM

A

Do you people seriously base your diet on the mere fact that you have canines? I'm a dude, but I have nipples. Maybe I should get breast implants?

Evolution isn't some kind of computer programme that is impossible to deviate from.

Also, I suspect those of you who tout that animals are treated humanely before execution are being purposefully ignorant. You know it's not true - spend five seconds on Googe researching animal welfare and you will see for yourself. Big brands too. I bet you just like to imagine that your tasty bacon comes from some magical la-la land, where pain and fear doesn't exist.

4/28/2011 12:43:20 PM

Moondog

A fundie vegan. He'll be going after leather shoes and wool sweaters next. He'll go around my neighborhood, raiding barbecues, not because grills on the back porches of three-deckers violates fire codes, but because he can smell cooking meat.

4/28/2011 12:43:54 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Riiiiiiiiight. The world should cater to YOUR particular beliefs.

Sounds pretty fundie to me.

4/28/2011 12:54:13 PM

Darn

I've got to wonder what they will do the moment we find out plants have feelings too :D

4/28/2011 12:55:34 PM

Godbuster

You know predators are smarter than herbivores. That's because they need to outwit something that can run and see. The protein in meat is also what allowed the human brain to grow so big. My point being meat is the basis of our society. You don't have to eat a lot of it, but the fact still remains that people needed animal products in the past and still need animal products because of certain B-Vitamins.

Now the best argument against eating meat is how shoddy American meat is. Mass-produced meat isn't as good as quality meat. Maybe that's why Europe is skinnier than the US, even though they do eat a lot of meat over there, too, however we don't feed our cows with shit that makes them sick.

I just don't agree with the Vegan lifestyle. Vegatarian makes much more sense to me. You simply are missing out on certain nutrients that you can only get from animal products. To me, Vegan is like a type of food, like Chinese or Italian. I'll eat a vegan meal, but I won't eat Vegan every day.

4/28/2011 1:03:22 PM

Fundies Make Me Sick

We eat animal meat to survive (including, in the most extreme cases, human meat). It's not ideal, but it's how things work. Deal with it.

4/28/2011 1:12:53 PM

katie5000

@A:
You're misunderstanding the point of this part of this site, which is to throw tomatoes at fundies of all kinds (or throw tomatoes at Americans, if you're Headache). If you want to have an actual discussion, go join the actual forum (there's a link on the main page). Either way, stop trolling.

4/28/2011 1:16:08 PM

TheReasonatro

If you ban meat people will just want it more.

4/28/2011 1:27:55 PM

Evilution Teacher

Not fundie.

4/28/2011 2:08:22 PM

Mister Person

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and

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Close up the spaces.

@Evilution Teacher: not expressly religious, but extremely dogmatic and insanely inflexible. Falls under the site's banner.

4/28/2011 2:16:17 PM



wow a vegan fundie. Thats a nice refreshing change.

4/28/2011 2:32:39 PM

Nicole

As a person who HAS to eat meat or feel like crap due to medical conditions... screw you, Bea. Screw you and your high 'n mighty ivory tower morals.

4/28/2011 4:18:22 PM

Amanda

Wow. You're pretty disrespectful of meat considering that the human race would never be here and intelligent if their ancestors had not eaten meat. Eat what you want, but respect other people's eating habits.
This person is pretty annoying, but not really fundie. Maybe vegan fundie?

4/28/2011 4:36:36 PM

ME

Note to all: I am a strict vegan, and I try to live by example. I do not support the rantings of militant vegans. Militant vegans even piss me off because people then think we are all like that ---- we are not all like that. Most vegans are educated, rational people.

4/28/2011 5:11:05 PM

szaleniec

No bbq events dedicated to the ritual of consuming burned legs, thighs & breasts

If they're burned, you're doing it wrong. And now I'm hungry.

4/28/2011 5:32:18 PM

Canadia

Did you just compare eating meat to pedophilia and rape? Murder too, but at least you could make the case you might be killing something, I don't want to know what this guy thinks happens to most peoples' dinner before they eat it.

Also, what's the second part about? Some ridiculous fantasy? Riiiight. Good luck with that.

4/28/2011 5:50:21 PM

NoriMori

PART 1

Okay, I'm vegetarian, was vegan for a three-year period, and am all for animal rights. So I can sympathize with this poster. In fact, this poster could have been me when I was really heavily into the animal activism thing. Well, not quite. But I've probably said something equally stupid.

I'm not going to get into the issue of how much meat we're meant to eat by nature (I'm aware we're meant to eat at least some meat, but I don't know how much). But I do think that our culture is meat-focused to an unhealthy degree and glorifies meat too much, and I think that in parts of the world where it is feasible to get a balanced nutrition without meat, the consumption of meat should be at a bare minimum. I don't think it's okay for creatures as enlightened as we are to kill animals for food that we don't need. Seriously. But it's kind of low on my list of essential issues. I'm a human, thus I am primarily concerned with the well-being of humans; and right now the well-being of humans hinges on a million things before animal activism. Ya know, like stem-cell research, LGBT rights, sexual equality, racial equality, religious tolerance. All that jazz.

4/28/2011 6:18:26 PM

NoriMori

PART 2

But... *prepares to dodge thrown objects* ...the truth is, I actually kind of agree with the OP. The arguments against this post that I've seen in the comments here pretty much boil down to "meat tastes good/the world wouldn't be fun without it", "humans are omnivores by nature", and "humans have been eating meat for a long time/we wouldn't be here if we hadn't evolved to eat meat", which are an appeal to emotion, a naturalistic fallacy, an appeal to tradition, respectively. I don't agree with the OP's rape/pedophilia comparison or the contention that eating meat should be illegal or done behind closed doors. I recognize that there are cultures and individuals that cannot survive without meat. But I somewhat agree with the murder comparison. I wouldn't agree as much with the OP if meat consumption didn't involve so much animal cruelty, but unfortunately it involves a lot of it. It's kind of hard not to agree with this post when I remember all those PETA videos showing what goes on inside a factory farm.

So, on the one hand I agree that this is fundie and it makes me kind of embarrassed to be a vegetarian. But on the other hand I agree with this person's sentiment. AAARGH, internal conflict, how I doth hate thee!!!

4/28/2011 6:18:59 PM
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