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I believe eating animals should be done behind closed doors. You don’t see murder or pedophilia or rape openly condoned in the streets, after all – do you?

For people to continue this shameful and disgusting act it would require that they get their animal parts and pieces wrapped in brown “butcher” paper, acquired from some hidden, underground (illegal) source of course. There would be no billboards or commercials suggesting such a “private” act as flesh eating. No bbq events dedicated to the ritual of consuming burned legs, thighs & breasts, no golden arches, no neon lit steakhouses, no singing “hotdogs” or “case ready” meats.



Bea, Vegan Soapbox 141 Comments [4/28/2011 3:49:32 AM]
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Submitted By: AtroposHeart
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NoriMori

@Pilotess

Lol, love your username, that's awesome! You got it from that misogynist quote from a few weeks ago, right? Ahh, good times... That was just a funny quote.

@A

Thank you for saying what I've sort of been thinking.

@katie5000

"A" is not being a troll. Well, okay, maybe a little. The last paragraph is a good candidate, especially near the end. But at the core of his comment is a good point. Okay, now I sound like an apologist. Nevermind. ARGH! Internal conflict hurts the brain. :(

4/28/2011 6:25:52 PM

Gloria

@ NoriMori

I respect your willingness to say what you think you have to say even though you know it's a minority opinion here. (I also somewhat sympathise with your internal conflict, since as a Christian on this website I've had my share of those "well yes, he's contemptible, but I agree with him" moments.)

I eat meat because I like the taste, and don't want to have to scrounge around for essential vitamins and proteins. I'm not inclined to take PETA's word for anything, but I recognize that yes, there is an extent to which farming just sucks for the animals, some forms of modern farming in particular. (And for the record, I have seen many of PETA's videos, though I'm sure there are new ones out since I last did a run-through.) Ultimately though, I don't care that much about preserving the lives of animals who only exist because someone thinks they can sell them to me for dinner. Call me lacking in empathy if you will (it's not entirely unfair) but that's my mindset. I wouldn't consider that an appeal to emotion, just a different priority set.

4/28/2011 7:08:06 PM

WickedWitch

Ooh, a vegan fascist.

4/28/2011 7:51:25 PM

QuasiRodent

Just out of curiosity. How many people would be willing to pay twice as much per pound for meat if it were guaranteed to be raised in a more natural, healthier environment, and killed without unnecessary cruelty?
If meat cost more, we'd eat less of it, and ultimately be healthier... But how many people would be able to see past their own greed to agree to that?

4/28/2011 8:11:12 PM



@QuasiRodent: Well, my family is fucking poor, so even to appease our consciences it wouldn’t be very good for us. It likely would not be an issue of eating less meat, but eating no meat. Enforced vegetarianism.

Or I suppose there might be some affordable meat: scrap bits that have been processed to hell and back. I don’t think that would really improve our health.

4/28/2011 8:17:20 PM

Hive

You don’t see murder or pedophilia or rape openly condoned in the streets...

Guess you've never met rape apologists.

4/28/2011 9:11:13 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

Bea, if you look like this, I would love to lay my meat across your grill...


4/28/2011 9:24:47 PM

Vince

I feel really lost without context on this one.

What's this guy saying here? Is this mockery or is this serious?

4/28/2011 10:10:37 PM

Grigadil

veg.e.tar.ian, n, [Algonquin], failure as a hunter.

4/28/2011 10:30:53 PM

Sylvana

Ok, without an appeal to emotion. Here is a reason why we as humans not only do eat meat, but should eat meat.

Our bodies, and the bodies of other carnivores are downright pathetic at breaking down cellulose. Most vegetable and fruit diets contain lots of cellulose because that's how the cells of plants are made. Herbivores have 4 odd stomachs and can actually break down the cellulose in plants and turn that into carbohydrates the foundation of energy.

However this process is still very inefficient. Ever notice how herbivores have to eat basically 24/7? That's because vegetables and fruit have a very low energy potential.

Meat on the other hand is stacked full of proteins and carbohydrates that have already been processed by the herbivore and as such are easy to break down and utilize. As such for the same volume, meat is a far more effective means of sustenance. This is why pure carnivores need only eat once every few days and why we really only need to eat about once a day.

In short. We eat meat because it gives us lots of energy and frees up time we would otherwise have spent eating for doing other things.

4/28/2011 11:48:38 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

Better idea: I'll continue to eat what I want, and you can stay the hell out of it. Humans are omnivores, just like a whole slew of other animals. Meat is part of our diet. If you want to survive on fruits and veggies, be my guest, but don't expect the rest of the world to bend to your chosen diet.

@A

One's natural diet isn't comparable to using a man-made tool. It's not like the spears and knives naturally evolved with our thumbs.

About meat-eating being looked down upon in future societies: That's possible, provided an suitable substitute that not only replaces the nutritional value but also satisfies cravings for meat emerges.

And for the people complaining that this isn't a Christian fundie: This site doesn't just list quotes from Christian fundies, or even religious fundies. It's about fundies from all walks of life, whether they're religious, political, or rabid vegans.

4/28/2011 11:50:00 PM

Davros



Meaty greetings from the Fatherland!

4/29/2011 12:35:02 AM

Haseen

Sorry, but there's a major flaw in your argument: Cute animals are delicious.

4/29/2011 12:50:13 AM

Justanotheratheist

You don't have the right to not be offended, as is frequently posted around here. Eating meat and other animal products is entirely normal for human beings, and those who opt not to just have to accept they are sharing a planet with a majority who do. So in other words - fuck off.

(Man, after looking at those pics I could just kill a nice T-bone right now. Bea doesn't have to watch.)

4/29/2011 2:00:06 AM

Prager

Why do I suspect this is just someone trolling...

4/29/2011 4:04:25 AM

WMDKitty

And THIS is why people hate vegans.

4/29/2011 4:58:42 AM



@ Doctor Fishcake

Note to all: vegan fundie - nothing to do with us vegetarians, vegan fundies look down on us "half-assed" veggies as much as they look down on meat eaters


No we don't.

As a vegetarian and later a vegan of 20 years standing, neither I nor any vegan I have mixed with has ever put down another veggie. I am not saying that no vegan/veggie has ever done so, but I have never done it or heard another doing it in my presence. We are mostly laid back in our approach and accept that it is a minority of people who feel strongly enough to become vegan, even when we quietly wish more would see things a similar way to us.

What I can tell you is that, the mere mention of my being vegan will guarantee you 20 minutes of abuse or at the very least, boasting/conversation about all the things your fellow diners have eaten/killed. Don't believe me? Try telling a group of people who you don't know well at a meeting that you are a veggie/vegan without any soap-boxing and sit back quietly and wait for the response. It will happen almost every time with absolutely no contribution from myself and it gets tedious listening to this every time you mention your food choice when all you wanted was to make someone else aware of what your choice permits you to eat.

So next time you squeeze out this intolerant stuff about vegans, just take a listen to yourself first and make sure you are not being as bad or worse than those you are criticising.

PS: I do not agree with Bea, just noting that you are all being just as intolerant and narrow-minded as her in your quotes on this site.

Edit: a little supporting statistic, note this quote has twice the number of responses to it of the religious quotes before and after it despite being submitted to FSTDT at roughly the same time- why so much hatred? Just saying...

4/29/2011 7:13:39 AM

Xotan

How is this fundie?

4/29/2011 8:05:10 AM



Morality is about value, and personally I think the loss of a cow is almost negligible in terms of value, compared to a human; to lose a human loses a lifetime of feelings and experiences, but to lose a cow is largely just losing a source of 'moo's, and 'moo's are fairly cheap in the modern day. Imagine a grave of a cow and a human, with photographs of all the greatest moments of their life: which is a richer story and which is the greater loss? I think the important thing about morality is not about what you value, which is very relative, but that it exists and is real: as in, you can't say you're above morality, because if you value, say, happiness, it has as much value whether it's your own or that of another. But I think if you value life for it's own sake a lot more than I do, then being vegan would be a good idea, but really you couldn't at all be self-righteous about it.

4/29/2011 8:45:27 AM

kuribo

i'll eat anything that won't eat me first. And I'll eat those too, if I can get the drop on them

4/29/2011 10:03:00 AM

Anon-e-moose

To join in with this thread's righteous theme of yummy meat, I give you... the Bacon Sarnie:



:9

Y'know what, Bea? I'm gonna go out and buy a packet of bacon, put several rashers under the grill, butter some slices of white bread, then place said rashers on said bread, put a few dollops of tomato sauce on such, then enjoy what is the ultimate treat for we carnivores. Just as a fuck you to you & your ilk.

So I'm eating sliced pig. Deal with it, vegans.

4/29/2011 10:20:16 AM

fin

ah nothing like some good old fashioned non religious fundies to remind you how true human stupidity transcends all boundaries

4/29/2011 10:55:36 AM

Pilotess

@ NoriMori

exactly where I got it from! Loved it! Stole it! Made it my own! :lol:

4/29/2011 10:56:13 AM



@NoriMori: Well, ok. Maybe he's not a troll. But between the two of you, you phrased your opinion much more politely. :)

EDIT: Bah, I forgot my name. It's katie5000.

4/29/2011 11:32:12 AM

Drax

Look, your morals are your morals. You believe it's morally wrong to eat meat, I respect your right to believe that and to live your life accordingly. Just don't try to shove your morals on to me. I happen to feel that meat-eating is both natural and morally justified. I don't take meat-eating lightly; I've killed and butchered animals with my own hands (humanely- I prefer a quick decapitation), so I'm very much aware that every time I eat meat, something has to die. I don't agree with killing without a good reason (if I find a spider or an insect in the house, I'll throw it outside because it isn't necessary to kill it) and I don't agree with inhumane farming practices. But I do think killing for food is justified. I don't, however, try to push that view on to you, so don't push your vegan views on to me and we'll get along fine.

4/29/2011 12:13:17 PM
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