On top of the dynamical problem of the Moon's orbit, NASA's claim to have had actually "landed" on the Moon six times is mere madness. Avionics are calibrated to the Earth. The Moon has no aviation beacons, no radar systems, no ground control etc., thus the Astronots had to literally fly by the seat of their pants (well, actually standing up while piloting the three-foil-thick Mr. "LEM"). And flying by the seat of your pants a quarter of a million miles from terra firma in the extreme vacuum of space filled with mega radiation attempting to "land" on a massive object orbiting at ~65,000 mph inside a non-tested vehicle, is nothing but suicidal lunacy.
The Holy Bible, God's Word, emphatically denies a lunar landing because the Scriptures proclaim a stationary Earth.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring nothing the understanding of the prudent. I Corinthians 1:19
The Universe is much smaller than claimed by "science", yet still incredibly massive. The fact remains that scopes do not give distances. No doubt the Sun is much smaller and closer than the alleged 93 'million' miles. The Sun's radiation is immense and we are protected from this radiation by the magnetic field called the Van Allen belts. Most Moon "hoaxters" claim that the belts themselves are radioactive, which is true as they are deflecting the Sun's radiation. The real danger however lies beyond the belts where there is NO protection from the Sun's intense heat in the extreme vacuum of space. These belts extend roughly 15,000 miles beyond the Earth's crust and perhaps a few thousand miles more. Regardless, there is still well over 200,000 miles that the Apollo spacemen had to travel and spend several days "exploring" the lunar surface within this mega radiation. Not to mention all oxygen had to be packed... They did remember to pack a few 'beef sandwiches' and some 'butterscotch pudding'...
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@Skyknight : Mercury has no atmosphere, and yet it's extremely hot. Heat is the vibration of molecules, yes, but it's transferred in the form of radiation, which requires no medium. Notably, humans are made of molecules, which can vibrate quite fast if excited by sufficient radiation.
Not to say that I in any way agree with this Masters idiot. He apparently neglected to read up on the radiation shielding that is downright essential for any spacecraft.
"Not fundie, just stupid."
Seriously? Not only is it a scientific failure, it's also explicitly religious in nature. That's pretty fucking fundie.
"The Holy Bible, God's Word, emphatically denies a lunar landing because the Scriptures proclaim a stationary Earth."
It's almost as if the bible is dead wrong about pretty much everything. Nah, couldn't be that. Must be Satan, or the Jews, or something.
Astronots = they didn't go.
heh heh
Moon landings are lunacy.
hyuck hyuck
What does a scientist use to hold his pants up?
A Van Allen belt.
ahyuck *snort*
I'm here all week, folks. Tell your friends.
>> NASA claims to have had actually "landed" on the Moon six times. <<
So who was the first guy to land on the moon?
Yes.
Well, what's the name of the second guy?
Yes.
Are you gonna tell me the name of the third guy to land on the moon?
I don't know.
Heyyyyyyyy, Abbott!
I admit it's refreshing to see a moon hoaxer using religion to deny the existence of space travel.
If you're really going to use the bible as proof, though, you should explain that there's no way the astronauts could have gotten through the firmament at the top of the sky, and they would likely have bumped into all the tiny stars up there.
This guy is an old school fundie. He believes everything in the Bible is true and if your claim cannot be reconciled with what the Bible says about it, it is false. Therefore, since the Bible says the earth is fixed those who claim to have landed on the moon are liars. Case closed as far as he's concerned.
His knowledge of science is abysmal, as a simple read through of his webpage will reveal.
Do these idiots not remember the Soviet Union?
Soviet observers were watching specificly for an attempt to pull a fast one.
If the Americans had faked the moon landings, the Soviets would have exposed them in no time.
The Chinese were also watching... as were the VIETNAMESE... (those folks America was waging a war against).
Imagine the triumphant crowing in Hanoi if the Americans had faked a moon landing....
>>No doubt the Sun is much smaller and closer than the alleged 93 'million' miles<<
I have bounced radar beams off of the solar corona.
I have also bounced a laser off of the mirrors that the Apollo crews left behind on the Moon.
Your Argument Is Invalid.
The Holy Bible, God's Word, emphatically denies a lunar landing because the Scriptures proclaim a stationary Earth.
It also emphatically states that demons cause disease, that goats can shag in front of rods to change the patterns on their offspring, and that the Earth stands on pillars. So pardon me if I don't swallow wholesale what the book proclaims.
For it is written
I know this is an odd thing to bother someone but it really is a pet-peeve of mine when people use "it is written" or "it is said" as if quoting some other person automatically makes whatever is quoted valid. It is written in The Night Before Christmas that Santa exists but that doesn't mean I'm hanging my stockings by the chimney with care in hopes that St. Nicholas soon will be there.
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring nothing the understanding of the prudent. I Corinthians 1:19
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
-Bertrand Russell
Besides, the Bible ALWAYS pulls that pseudo-enlightened sophistic bullshit of simply flipping two opposites i.e. the weak shall be made strong and the strong shall be made weak, the wise will be fools and those who are considered fools will be wise, etc. It's not really as clever as people seem to think it is.
Were they roast beef sandwiches? Did the astronauts forget the pickles and mustard? What about beverage?
Dammit, this is important! Butterscotch pudding is a scandal.
"The Moon has no aviation beacons, no radar systems, no ground control etc., "
The earth didn't have any of them in 1903 either, so I guess that makes the Wright brothers flight a hoax.
"Not to mention all oxygen had to be packed..."
I saw some packed oxygen at a welding suppy place . . .
"Scopes do not give distances"? Yes they do! Ever heard of that little thing called "triangulation"?
Yet another fundie who does not grasp high-school geometry.
Also, he does not get basic newtonian mechanics, much less relativity. Those were used to calculate the flight paths of Apollo. But yes, the Astronauts had to make some corrections by hand.
As for the heat - amazingly, you do not have more heat in the space between the moon and the earth than you have on earth. That's because the intensity of the sun is pretty much the same, since you are in the same orbit. The atmosphere DOES absorb all the heat the suns radiats onto it, after all.
"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring nothing the understanding of the prudent. I Corinthians 1:19"
In other words, "try to understand my supposed creation and masterpiece, and I will troll you to tears or insanity."
Could you remind me why we should follow such a god, again?
Oh, and also for those of you who claim that Columbus "sailed" the ocean "blue", that's also impossible. As we all know, they didn't have docks in the "New World", so it's impossible for him to have arrived there.
No doubt? I doubt that.
It's interesting that you pick and choose which science is absolutely true and what's patently false. You deny the size and distance of the sun, but not the killing radiation of it or the protection of the Van Allen belt.
Your book also claims the planet was once entirely underwater, that the first humans worshipped your God and lived for a thousand years, and that snakes could talk.
@ Pilotess
You are *never* going to let that one asshole live it down, are you?
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring nothing the understanding of the prudent.
... and I guess God has started with M. Alexander Masters
"The Holy Bible, God's Word, emphatically denies a lunar landing because the Scriptures proclaim a stationary Earth."
"The model works without that assumption" M. Pierre-Simon LaPlace (1749-1827)
Get with the times, man!
PS: Your hovercraft is full of eels!
Avionics are calibrated to the Earth. The Moon has no aviation beacons, no radar systems, no ground control etc., thus the Astronots had to literally fly by the seat of their pants
They did it the same way sailors have done it for centuries. They used a sextant and a star chart. See - http://www.ion.org/museum/item_view.cfm?cid=6&scid=5&iid=293
You utter twat
@D Laurier: Because Illuminati. Or Jews. Or Satan. Or Satanic Illuminated Jews. Or something.
Also, I suspect this guy regularly posts to Fox News under the name "Nasarthebest." The comments sound the same, he makes the same syntax and grammar errors, and he makes the same science errors, so I'm pretty sure it's him.
Also, for those of you who say it's a Poe, or that it's not fundie--this is what my grandparents sounded like when they talked about the space program. They didn't even believe there even really WAS a space program, and for the same exact reasons that Masters here does. They believed that it was nothing more than a way for the government to swindle billions from the pockets of the gullible, because Scripture said there was literally nowhere to go up there. This wasn't even all that uncommon--people actually believed this, and still do.
>>aaa
Seriously, why hasn't Buzz Aldrin punched you to the face? <<
Aldrin only punched the one idiot who decided that harassing Aldrin and his stepdaughter and shoving him with a Bible was a good idea.
Hey M. Alexander.
On behalf of the first, ballsy as hell, men who landed on the moon I would like to sincerely say fuck you for trying to tarnish their achievement.
Your argument is basically that it is impossible for anyone to be brave enough to land on the moon. There are people that brave. They have done it. FUCK YOU BITCH.
You are like the people who claim that "aliens" made the pyramids. You take away from almost impossible achievements by claiming they are impossible. When in fact, they are merely almost impossible.
So sincerely you fundie ass moron. FUCK YOU.
Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Pete Conrad , Alan Bean, Alan Shepard, Edgar Mitchell, David Scott, James Irwin, John W. Young, Charles Duke, and Harrison Schmitt would like a word with you.
Oh, Jesus. It's about time we got some fundamental crazy like this again. The fact remains that trigonometry and other measures do allow distances to be known, so this person's argument is invalid. Heliocentricity has been proven time and time again, and people did indeed go to the moon.
Also, Mr. Masters can't spell "astronaut"? That's just pathetic.
OK
That's some really well written bullshit, that is. Everything wrong but well presented.
Who pays you guys for this commintment?
Aside from all the pseudo-scientific bollocks about how the moon landings were allegedly faked, in the height of the cold war the USSR confirmed that the moon landings took place. Also, the lunar module was tested twice, on apollo 9 and 10 prior to the landings, apollo 8 and 10 both flew in lunar orbit before any attempt at landing took place.
I could go on for ever about this, but the basis of what you're saying seems to be "I don't understand how they did it so they didn't do it"
@Godless heathen
I could go on for ever about this, but the basis of what you're saying seems to be "I don't understand how they did it so they didn't do it"
That's the fundamentalist argument against everything. Just replace "they" with any scientifically supported process (i.e. evolution, Big Bang, etc.) and voila! You've got a 'brand new' argument.
"NASA's claim to have had actually "landed" on the Moon six times is mere madness. ... attempting to "land" on a massive object orbiting at ~65,000 mph inside a non-tested vehicle, is nothing but suicidal lunacy.
65,000 miles per hour is the speed at which the Earth-Moon System orbits the sun. The moon only orbits the Earth at about 2130 miles per hour. By your reckoning, since the EARTH is also orbiting at 65,000 mph, landing airplanes on its surface should be impossible.
But I forgot ... you don't believe the Earth is actually moving.
Scripture doesn't say Earth is still, other than a mistranslation; it does say it shakes for earthquakes, nevertheless on its pillars. The verse means the world doesn't slip away; either the land or towns and its bowers. But this is also wrong, seen by erosion, drift of streams and burial of ancient cities, and continental drift.
two words for you:
Lithium Hydroxide (LiOH)
reacts with co2 to create byproducts and diatomic oxygen. they did "pack" oxygen in a way. \
also, van allen belt? really? that argument was debunked long ago. sure the radiation is at dangerous levels, but the thing about radiation is that the LENGTH of exposure is the significant bit. the astronauts would only need to spend about 2 hours in the van allen belt.
and lastly "NO protection from the Sun's intense heat in the extreme vacuum of space". 1: heat is energy. 2: energy always passes from matter with higher energy to matter with lower energy, and 3: there is no matter in the vacuum of space, therefore 4: the sun does not give off intense heat in the vacuum of space. it would be about as hot as standing in the sunlight.
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