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Over the last few decades, the semantics of this issue have changed. It has gone from Sodomy to homosexuality to gay or lesbian to sexual orientation. Today’s reference to it as sexual orientation has certainly taken the sting out of the sin.

The focus of the debate has turned from a behavior to an issue, like abortion where the debate has turned from the procedures of abortion to an issue.

If one would focus on the behavior that homosexuals admit to, they would agree with the Scriptures which says they are “abusers of themselves with mankind.” Should any government official condone abuse even between consenting adults?

“Stay out of our bedrooms, stay out of our private lives,” is a defensive posture we hear from pro-homosexuals. There are many different laws that affect each of our private lives. Laws against adultery, fornication, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, torture, rape, even seat belt laws. Most laws in some way legislate morality. Do not kill, do not steal, etc.

Homosexuality is fatal. The average homosexual, whether male or female lives about 45 years. This is 30 years less than the average heterosexual male or female. This is alarming! Only 3% of homosexuals reach their 65th birthday. Each statesman should work to warn the populace of this danger. Some in government have gone to great lengths to discourage cigarette smoking. They have sued the cigarette companies. They have had enough of the deaths that this behavior causes and the dollars spent on treating tobacco related maladies, yet cigarettes takes an average of 6 years off of an adult’s life. Homosexuality takes 30 years off. We should stand against homosexuality even if only for health reasons.

Justification for homosexual behavior is often given from the “look at the great contributions they make to our society” angle. Do our contributions justify our life style? Would this exonerate a child abuser, pedophile, prostitute, incest, beastiality or any crime or criminal? Of course not! There are certain laws I must obey in private and in public that legislate morality that are good safeguards for myself, my wife and family. I can not beat my wife and children with a baseball bat in the privacy of my home. It would endanger them and rightfully so I would be arrested. As we have seen, homosexuality endangers those who are involved with it in private.

It is best for society to believe the Scriptures in its opposition to this abominable lifestyle.

Art Kohl, Faith Bible Baptist Church 81 Comments [5/2/2011 8:03:31 AM]
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Shouldn't you be off counting the moon or something?

5/2/2011 8:15:21 AM

Cy

CITATION NEEDED

5/2/2011 8:20:10 AM

elphada

Abominable is trying to live up to rules one cannot possibly keep and that's made worse by thinking I was born evil and I'm not worth a crap.

5/2/2011 8:20:31 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Yes, because beating your children with a baseball bat is clearly the moral equivalent of having consensual sex with another adult.

5/2/2011 8:31:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

Today’s reference to it as sexual orientation has certainly taken the sting out of the sin.

That's because it is just sexual orientation. Nobody gives a shit about what you think is "sin."

The focus of the debate has turned from a behavior to an issue, like abortion where the debate has turned from the procedures of abortion to an issue.

The only people making an issue out of it is right-wing homophobes like yourself. The rest of us don't care, except for wanting everyone to have the same rights. If you want to focus on their behavior, then go ahead, but you might want to admit something to yourself first.

Should any government official condone abuse even between consenting adults?

If there's consent, there's no abuse.

There are many different laws that affect each of our private lives. Laws against adultery, fornication, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, torture, rape, even seat belt laws. Most laws in some way legislate morality.

Laws against fornication or adultery are unenforcable and worthless. There's no victim, so why should there be a crime? And guess what? I'm also against seatbelt laws, though I always wear a seatbelt. The rest of those crimes are not victimless, so it's right they should stay on the books.

The average homosexual, whether male or female lives about 45 years.

Citation seriously fucking needed. And statistics from right-wing places where homosexuals are tied to a fence & beaten to death don't count.

It is best for society to believe the Scriptures in its opposition to this abominable lifestyle.

Along with eating shellfish, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, working on the Sabbath, and eating meat and dairy products together. Don't forget to offer up your burnt sacrifice every week.

5/2/2011 8:44:44 AM

TheJebusFire

[Laws against adultery, fornication, pedophilia, beastiality, incest, torture, rape, even seat belt laws.]


That's because all those things harm other people.

[Homosexuality is fatal. The average homosexual, whether male or female lives about 45 years. This is 30 years less than the average heterosexual male or female. This is alarming! Only 3% of homosexuals reach their 65th birthday. ]

[citation needed]


5/2/2011 9:09:22 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

You are a liar, a bigot, an idiot, and a waste of life. DIAF. Thank you.

5/2/2011 9:11:19 AM

Berny

Piling falsehood upon falsehood. Haven't you homophobic idiots heard yet that the study you are all so fond of quoting showing shorter lifespans for homosexuals has been debunked as seriously flawed for years?
And the last time I checked, there were no laws against adultery or fornication. People are free to fuck whomever, and whenever, they wish. There are legal implications if you happen to be married to someone else, like divorce, but you won't go to jail.
What you are in favour of criminalizing is private behaviour between consenting adults (notice those words: consenting adults), and no free society should ever condemn that using some broken down ancient and irrelevant religious code.

5/2/2011 9:24:48 AM

Pilotess

I'm not asking to see a study to back up your BS, since I'm sure you have something confirming it. I could produce a study/statistic proving gay ppl live 30 years longer and all heterosexual ppl endangering each other. There are statistics out there proving ANY view point!
What I really want to know is, why are you such an asshole? Why can't you just let people be? You know, if god (if it actually exists) really hates gays so much, let him deal with them and condem them to eternal hell fires ...

5/2/2011 9:29:41 AM

Aspergus

Until you people begin serious campaigns to criminalize any and all potentially unhealthy acts or substances in the country, then I'm just going to dismiss all this as standard, run-of-the-mill homophobia.

Of course, it's obvious that you don't really give a damn about public health hazards like you purport to. All you care about is pushing the queers back into the closet.

5/2/2011 9:35:57 AM

LucVor

One thing you have to give the Phelps clan, they are at least honest in their bigotry and hate.

The rest of these fuckwads always want to hide behind bogus claims of public health concerns, protecting children, or some other nonsense.

5/2/2011 9:51:26 AM

Headache

Lies, lies and damn lies - that is what one has come to expect from the American population - dumb as dumb can be!

5/2/2011 9:56:31 AM

werewolf

Art, the manner in which you torture logic and common sense is a heinous crime.

5/2/2011 10:09:39 AM

Dale

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

5/2/2011 10:10:50 AM

Mister Spak

"Homosexuality is fatal. The average homosexual, whether male or female lives about 45 years."

Based on this post, christianity is fatal to your intelligence. As in it makes your brain dead.

5/2/2011 10:25:18 AM

Deep Search

" Epidemiologists Morten Frisch and Henrik Brønnum-Hansen will publish “Mortality Among Men and Women in Same-Sex Marriage: A National Cohort Study of 8333 Danes” in the January 2009 issue of the American Journal of Public Health. The study finds that since 1996 the mortality rate among gay men in same-sex marriages has been virtually equivalent to that of heterosexuals. "

" Evidently not one to mince his words, Frisch earlier told ex-gay-supportive Warren Throckmorton that Cameron’s report (that gay people have a shorter lifespan) was “agenda-driven, pseudo-scientific gobbledygook,” and that its “methodological flaws are of such a grave nature that no decent peer-reviewed scientific journal should let it pass for publication.” "

Anyone with half a brain would know that, anyway. And certainly lambasting, harassing, abusing, degrading, and shaming gay people isn't going to help them any. I doubt anyone would feel great when society shuns them.

5/2/2011 10:30:33 AM



Pule Thamex

We all know that God loves homosexuality and He is very pleased to continue to tolerate its popularity. We know this because God is neither acting against homosexuals nor the homosexual acts that they perform. This is because of the pure delight homosexuality gives Him. This further proves that fundies do not communicate with God otherwise they'd know perfectly well of His deep affection for homosexuality.

So dim wits like Art Kohl are so far off the beaten track when it comes to doing what God wants that they should be immediately ignored, although they can be listened to and laughed at purely for entertainment. Also, this proves that the Bible was most certainly written by maniacal madmen, as it too is so very very far from representing God's intent.

By all means follow God, but that means tolerating the same things that God tolerates and it also means discarding man's word in the Bible. So, burn a Bible and thank God for homosexuality.

5/2/2011 10:35:41 AM

DevilsChaplain

Anti-American bullshit, anti-American bullshit, and damned anti-American bullshit - that is what one has come to expect from Headache - dumb as dumb can be!

5/2/2011 10:36:43 AM

dionysus

“Stay out of our bedrooms, stay out of our private lives,” is a defensive posture we hear from pro-homosexuals.

As long as you have consenting adults then you have no right invading their privacy.

There are many different laws that affect each of our private lives

So long as there is mutual consent among all involved parties and there is no pressing reason to invade one's privacy, that privacy should be respected by the law. That's why the police can search your house when you murder someone but can't do that over a speeding ticket or just because they feel like it.

Laws against adultery,

Civil laws, not criminal laws.

fornication,

You lying shit, there's no such thing.

pedophilia, beastiality,

Again, consenting adults. Fuck, do you fundies need to get those two words glued onto your foreheads?

incest,

That's a trickier one, though one could just use a fundamentalist as an example of why that should be illegal.

torture, rape,

*grabs glue out of the drawer*

even seat belt laws

Which are an unnecessary invasion of privacy and thus shouldn't be laws. If you wanna end up as a glass-filled pancake that's your problem. Just because laws that invade privacy exist (another good set of examples are drug laws, prostitution laws, and other vice laws) doesn't make them right. If Congress passed a law tomorrow that they could videotape people in the bedroom that wouldn't all of the sudden legitimize it. To say otherwise is to just be lawful stupid.

5/2/2011 10:48:21 AM

Uni

45 is a good number. After that it's all downhill anyway.

5/2/2011 11:19:07 AM

TGRwulf

The average homosexual, whether male or female lives about 45 years. This is 30 years less than the average heterosexual male or female."

Bullshit. Not only citation needed, but I know people personally who prove that wrong.

5/2/2011 11:23:06 AM

I read about the afterlife

double post.

5/2/2011 11:33:19 AM

I read about the afterlife

homosexuality is fatal? So is heterosexuality. Fatality is the condition of living.

5/2/2011 11:36:02 AM

breakerslion

Over the last few decades, the semantics of this issue have changed. It has gone from Sunday School to indoctrination to brainwashing to child abuse.

"Glass houses," jackwad!

5/2/2011 12:05:25 PM

Papabear

You know, Artie's on to something here. If you make up wild stories and support them with ridiculous stats, when you repeat them loudly and often they always become the truth.

5/2/2011 12:09:01 PM
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