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God is a higher authority than man. Believers ought to be the best citizens in the country. However, they should never do anything the government condones that is illegal, immoral or contrary to the faith of the Word of God.

Government should stay out of the Lord’s work. Thomas Jefferson said there should be a one—way wall of separation between church and state. Faith should influence government and morals but the state should stay out of the business of the church.

Soon there may be “hate crime” laws on the books forbidding “mean” or “hateful rhetoric” against certain issues. Many preachers face the very real possibility of being forbidden by the government to preach against what they honestly believe is sinful. The preachers will have to disobey the government and obey God at that time no matter what the price.

Art Kohl, Faith Bible Baptist Church 74 Comments [4/29/2011 3:19:54 AM]
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Anon-e-moose

"God is a higher authority than man. Believers ought to be the best citizens in the country. However, they should never do anything the government condones that is illegal, immoral or contrary to the faith of the Word of God."

Tell that to Judge John E. Jones III, a Conservative Christian. He made teaching Creationism in US schools not just unconstitutional, but illegal. Suck it, Art.

"Government should stay out of the Lord’s work. Thomas Jefferson said there should be a one—way wall of separation between church and state. Faith should influence government and morals but the state should stay out of the business of the church."

That was before the ugly face of religion that exists today crawled out of the Sewer of Hell and unjustifiably imposed itself on society the way it has today: right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity.

(emphasis added):


'I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature'

'There is more need for lighthouses in our country than churches.'

'But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'

'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear'

-Thomas Jefferson

Suck it II, Art.

"Soon there may be “hate crime” laws on the books forbidding “mean” or “hateful rhetoric” against certain issues. Many preachers face the very real possibility of being forbidden by the government to preach against what they honestly believe is sinful. The preachers will have to disobey the government and obey God at that time no matter what the price."

So? In Germany, one can be arrested for saying openly that the Holocaust didn't happen. From the point of view of this particular Atheist, speaking vile bigotries against LGBT people, women wanting abortions, 'Liberals', and generally anyone not exactly like you, and being punished for such, nay just saying 'You'll go to Hell for not believing' resulting in similar custodial sentences - thus forcing you subhuman fundies to say 'Everyone goes to Heaven, regardless of if you're 'Saved' or not'; 'God loves everyone: Gays, Left-wingers, Atheists included!' - is a bad thing... how?!

Suck it III, and you strike out, Art.

...besides, I thought that amongst you True Christians™, it was impossible to be a 'True Christian™ if you weren't being 'Persecuted' the way you described? Ergo, your ilk aren't the True Christians™ you say you are. Therefore you're going to Hell. QED.

Start begging Obama to start building those 'FEMA' camps, the ghettoisation & roundups of you fundies begin, and said camps start filling up. It's the only possible way you & your ilk can ever justify your sad, sorry, unjustifiable existences.

4/29/2011 6:55:48 AM

Katherine Lorraine

Typical fundie "hate crimes will make preaching illegal" bull-shit.

4/29/2011 6:56:05 AM

Brendan Rizzo

So close, yet so damnably far. Now they're recognizing separation of church and state... but then turn right around and insist it is semipermeable, which is not what Jefferson, the deist, had in mind at all. We just cannot get through to them, can we? They are literally impervious to reason. There is nothing we can do to get them to stop being stupid. It is absolutely hopeless.

4/29/2011 7:09:08 AM

kuribo

you're breaking god's law by lying about jefferson. You hell bound sinner.

4/29/2011 7:54:35 AM

nutcase

1) The US Constitution never said anything about a "one-way separation," jackass. There should be a separation between church and state, full stop.

2) Snyder v. Phelps. That is all.

4/29/2011 8:23:09 AM

John_in_Oz

Ah yes, Jesus's famous words "By this will all men know that you are my disciples, that you hate one another." No wait, that was Satan.

4/29/2011 8:38:13 AM

Swede

I concur heartily with the first paragraph. Believers ought to be paragons of respectability, empathy and law-abidance. There's no need for a "However" at all, dearie.

Sure, government can stay out of the Lord's work, as long as religion stays out of government work. Citation for that "one-way" thingy.

You can't forbid people to have opinions, stupid. Oh, well, you can, but then you are no longer a democracy.

Why can't the priests preach about what to do, rather than what not to do. And, like in the first paragraph, be a model for all their followers to, ya know, follow.
In this way he can both obey the law and obey God. Nice, isn't it?

4/29/2011 8:45:22 AM



God is a higher authority than man.

Which god?

However, they should never do anything the government condones that is illegal, immoral or contrary to the faith of the Word of God.

Which version of "god's" word?

Until you can clear that up to everyone's satisfaction, something I'm not expecting in my lifetime, feel free to simply shut the hell up.

4/29/2011 8:52:58 AM

John_in_Oz

Ah yes, Jesus's famous words "By this will all men know that you are my disciples, that you hate one another." No wait, that was Satan

4/29/2011 8:54:22 AM

Grigadil

Wow, a diode of separation.

4/29/2011 9:12:35 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

This government is not based on the Bible and even the Bible says you are to follow the government's laws and ordinances. Just because you think God disapproves of something doesn't mean you can flout a law that supports it. Try that argument in court and see how far it gets you.

4/29/2011 9:40:04 AM

Godbuster

mirror, mirror is what you're thinking of. A one-way mirror.













Dumbass

4/29/2011 9:43:53 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

No, he said that there should be a wall of separation between church and state in a letter to a group of Baptists <http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html>.

4/29/2011 10:17:20 AM

Osiris

So you guys oppose anything the government condones which is illegal? So do you support shutting down Guantanamo Bay?

4/29/2011 10:59:59 AM

Pilotess

Hate Speech is not forbidden - The KKK can sprout their non-sense, so can you!
But just like the KKK can not legally kill black people or jews (anymore) you can not kill gays, lesbians, abortion Dr.s, Divorcees and who ever else is on your list!

That's how the 1st Amendment works, I think!

4/29/2011 11:59:37 AM

Old Viking

These sub-marginals live in their own bizarre universe.

4/29/2011 12:32:23 PM

I read about the afterlife

"Thomas Jefferson saidthere shoul be a one-way wall of seperation between church and state."

Most incorrect sentence ever.

4/29/2011 1:05:50 PM

Joe Mama

If you're so afraid that your pastor will be arrested because of hate crimes laws, then you should take a good look at what he's preaching.

But I really don't think that will ever happen, since Fred Phelps is still allowed to run around spewing his bile. He would be the first one arrested.

I would say that we're making progress in that they're starting to recognize the wall of separation, but this is one of the idiots who think they can have it both ways by allowing religion to meddle in government but keeping government out of religion.

4/29/2011 3:29:43 PM

Mithras

One-way wall. Rewriting history for Jeebus?!

4/29/2011 4:01:20 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Translation:

"My persecutin' iz been persecuted, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH".

Twats.

4/29/2011 4:26:33 PM

Wehpudicabok

Hate crime laws increase the severity of punishments for existing laws; e.g. beat a guy up you'll get five years, beat a guy up for being black you get ten. (I made those numbers up, but the principle is right.) No hate crime law criminalizes something that isn't already a crime, and none will ever touch freedom of speech.

Did you know that the United States has among the most liberal free-speech policies in the world? For instance, most other developed countries are shocked that we allow the WBC the freedom we do. In much of Europe, simply displaying a swastika for reasons other than artistic expression and historical instruction is illegal. But that will never be the case in the United States, where even the crazies support free speech. Consider that next time you're tempted to wax paranoid.

4/29/2011 4:50:38 PM

Saccharissa


4/29/2011 4:58:19 PM

Large Hardon Collider

"a one—way wall of separation between church and state"

And maybe we can use it to cool the church to absolute zero, ala Maxwell's Demon...

4/29/2011 5:33:58 PM

Skatepunk

"Soon there may be “hate crime” laws on the books forbidding “mean” or “hateful rhetoric” against certain issues. Many preachers face the very real possibility of being forbidden by the government to preach against what they honestly believe is sinful."

Considering Fred Phelps' hateful actions are considered protected by the First Amendment, I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt it. To you, persecution means being denied the right to persecute others.

4/29/2011 6:07:35 PM

GenesisNemesis

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

-Treaty of Tripoli. Signed by John Adams. Submitted into the Senate by John Adams.

4/29/2011 6:22:25 PM
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