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As you pointed out advertisers purchase time on television programs because they know that what people see on television influences their behavior and influences their choices. We know from the Centers for Disease Control that 91% of the males who have been diagnosed with HIV-AIDS since the epidemic began contracted it through having sex with other men or through injection drug abuse. That means that homosexual behavior is just as risky and just as dangerous as injection drug use and we should not glamorize it anymore than we would glamorize intravenous drug use.

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 35 Comments [4/30/2011 3:31:02 PM]
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Wehpudicabok

The actual percentage of homosexual male cases of HIV is 78%, not 91%, according to the source you yourself cited. Admittedly, that is significantly higher than I expected. Nevertheless, the danger is not dependent on one's orientation but on the nature of the contact: anal sex is more dangerous than either oral or vaginal, and, most importantly, safe sex practices greatly reduce the risk of infection. Gay sex done safely is much safer than unprotected straight sex.

Of course, all of this ignores the fact that you seem to think that all gays do is have sex. Sexuality is an aspect of identity. It is no more dangerous than any other part of one's identity. No matter what identity we have, it is how we choose to act on it that is good or bad, not the identity itself. So talking about the dangers of "homosexual behavior" is like saying that being a supporter of the Second Amendment is the same as killing someone with a gun.

Edit @arcticknight: 56% is for all cases of infection, not just males. Fischer was discussing just men, so the actual percentage is 78%, counting drug use cases. Still way off from 91%, though.

4/30/2011 3:40:33 PM

Xoy

Bryan Fischer should re-read the ninth commandment.

4/30/2011 3:42:42 PM

arctic knight

According to the CDC;

Male to male sexual contact: 56.4%
Injection drug use: 9.7%
Male to male sexual contact AND Injection drug use: 2.7%

That's a lot less than 91%

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/slides/general/slides/general_7.pdf

Edit: According to the source cited above, heterosexual sex accounts for 31% of HIV cases. Maybe Mr. Fischer needs top abstain from all sex in order to protect himself (and protect us from his offspring).

4/30/2011 3:59:53 PM

Professor M

Let's just cut it down to reality: sex involving penetration with a penis not sheathed in latex or polyurethane is the most common way for people to be exposed to HIV. Because of some details in terms of transmission and because of how HIV was first introduced to North America (and the sociosexual context at the time), yes, there have been a lot of gay and bisexual men with AIDS -- but worldwide, heterosexual sex is still the most common means of transmission. In the U.S., heterosexual women are the group with the second-highest rate of infection -- lesbians have the lowest rate. So what do we make of all this? Use a fucking condom if you're having vaginal or anal sex with a male.

4/30/2011 4:00:20 PM

Sasha

So far as I know, nobody is glamorizing homosexual behavior, just telling the truth about it. If you can't stand that...tough.

4/30/2011 4:01:45 PM

Doubting Thomas

And if you fundies weren't so against people using condoms, the rate of HIV infection would drop drastically.

4/30/2011 4:08:41 PM

Brianisha

use a condom, asshole. Oh and stay off the Crack, its not better than heroine.

4/30/2011 4:22:18 PM

Osiris

Can I get your citation for that source? Oh it's your ass. I see.

4/30/2011 4:34:57 PM



oops.

4/30/2011 5:19:19 PM

DevilsChaplain

Oh Bryan...just...just fuck off already. For the good of the world...

4/30/2011 6:26:46 PM

Berny

It would seem that the source for your data is your rectal cavity.

4/30/2011 6:37:16 PM

TGRwulf

Correlation =/= causation bitch.

4/30/2011 6:40:23 PM

Tempus

Lying for Jesus is still lying, Bryan.

But really, who am I kidding? In one of his most recent missives, he all but calls for forced conversions at gunpoint in Muslim countries, and apparently wants to make missionary conversions a requirement for the US to send foreign aid. So really, this is mild stuff for him.

4/30/2011 7:13:19 PM

TheJebusFire

If you're going to quote someone's stats, do it properly.

4/30/2011 7:53:40 PM

Old Viking

Oh, this half-wit again.

4/30/2011 8:03:11 PM

Passerby

You lumped together the stats for sex and drug use and then declared them equally dangerous? Do you think we're idiots? That would be like combining the stats from deaths caused by direct lightning strikes and deaths in fires started by intentional arson and declaring lighting an ever present and agressive menace.

4/30/2011 8:12:42 PM

dionysus

And driving a car is statistically more likely to kill you than walking or taking the train yet you don't see people wanting to ban cars do you? Besides, why do you even care if homosexuals die? You should be happy. Unless you have more erm...personal...reasons to be worried.

4/30/2011 8:21:27 PM

WMDKitty

And many, many more, worldwide, get it through heterosexual sex...

4/30/2011 9:30:40 PM

Raised by Horses

Lying for the Lord again, eh, Bryan? There's a special place in hell reserved for liars according to your "good book".

4/30/2011 9:42:27 PM

meh

why do you constantly think about gay sex?? also if people would teach safe sex maybe std rates would be lower.... but that's crazy right?? I mean teenagers don't think about having sex with all their hormones and shit and they definitely follow which ever regulations stipulated by their guardians right? (rolls eyes) And wtf does sexuality have to do with drug use? there are a hell of a lot of straight junkies too!!

4/30/2011 10:38:09 PM

PWEOTWEB

And yet people like you lobby against safe sex education and push abstinence-only.

You all should be executed for the numerous deaths your shitty abstinence-only programs are responsible for. You are all murderers, whether or not you realise it.

4/30/2011 11:34:24 PM

Swede

Keep bleating about HIV being a gay disease and you will change those statistics. Straight teenagers, who haven't had proper sex-ed, will think it does not concern them, and they will have unprotected sex, maybe lots of anal sex, as this will keep the "virgin" state for the girls.

But perhaps not that great a change in male statistics, as the one being penetrated is at higher risk of contracting AIDS, than the one doing the penetration.

5/1/2011 1:48:46 AM

louislois

Did you know 91% of all statistics on the internet are made up? Imagine that!

5/1/2011 2:45:28 AM

Cy

As you pointed out advertisers purchase time on television programs because they know that what people see on television influences their behavior and influences their choices. We know from the Centers for Disease Control that 85% of the females who have been diagnosed with HIV-AIDS since the epidemic began contracted it through having sex with men or through injection drug abuse. That means that heterosexual behavior is just as risky and just as dangerous as injection drug use and we should not glamorize it anymore than we would glamorize intravenous drug use.

(Statistics from Wehpudicabok's link. Are you convinced? I'm convinced! From now on all TV shows must feature only lesbians, bisexual women in relationships with other women, and asexuals in all varieties.)

5/1/2011 3:11:12 AM

The_L

Those figures haven't been true since around 1981 or so. Have you been out if touch for the past 30 years, or are you just lying?

5/1/2011 3:38:28 AM
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