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The only thing that will give us a shot at building a democracy in an Islamic land is a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity. If we want to see freedom come to those darkened, benighted lands, we should be sending missionaries in, right after we send in the Marines to neutralize whatever threat has been raised against the United States.

If they don’t want our missionaries, fine. Their choice. We’ll take them and our Marines home, and let them know we’ll have no hesitation about returning with lethal force if they threaten us again. This time, Marines and missionaries. Next time, Marines and missiles.

The fundamental mistake Western politicians such as George W. Bush make is thinking that Islam is just like Christianity only different. They are so accustomed to an environment shaped by a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law that they assume that everybody wants those things.

That is a shallow, naive and fatal assumption to make. President Bush simplistically believed that there is a hunger for freedom in every human heart. Not so. There is a hunger for human freedom beating in the breast of Christianity, but the hunger beating in the breast of Islam is for the exact opposite of freedom, totalitarian control.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 60 Comments [5/6/2011 3:26:25 AM]
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Tempus

Project much?

5/6/2011 3:42:02 AM



Originally posted by Bryan Fischer

They are so accustomed to an environment shaped by a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law that they assume that everybody wants those things.

Since when has that been the case?

5/6/2011 3:43:39 AM

Raised by Horses

Hi, I'm Bryan Fischer and I know fuck all about modern geopolitics. I get all my info from Glenn Beck and Fox News.

5/6/2011 4:20:03 AM

C_V


you have nationalism confused with religion. the US is not christian, and christianity is not exclusive to americans. talk about shallow and naive.

5/6/2011 4:30:05 AM

Mister Spak

"They are so accustomed to an environment shaped by a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law that they assume that everybody wants those things. "

You mean like, you can be gay if you want, you can have an abortion if you want, you can be muslim if you want, you can make porn if you want, without having missiles and marines after you? Is that the liberty, freedom and equality that you are talking about?

Maybe I should send some missiles and mujahideen after you while you think about the answer.


5/6/2011 4:42:02 AM

D Laurier

Or you could just leave them alone for once...
After all, having destroyed their citys, plundered their resources, humiliated their people, murdered their leaders, and stolen their wealth... maybe its time to STOP.

5/6/2011 4:54:07 AM

From the frozen north, Death cometh

"The only thing that will give us a shot at building a democracy in an Islamic land is a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity. If we want to see freedom come to those darkened, benighted lands, we should be sending missionaries in, right after we send in the Marines to neutralize whatever threat has been raised against the United States."

Only thing this would accomplish would be even more fuel for the terrorist propaganda that is recruiting young men in Islamic countries faster that ever.

"There is a hunger for human freedom beating in the breast of Christianity, but the hunger beating in the breast of Islam is for the exact opposite of freedom, totalitarian control."

There might be a hunger for freedom in Christians, but it most definitely isn't present anywhere near Christianity itself. You fuckers basically ruled the West for over a thousand years with a iron fist... That's it for your "freedom and liberty".

5/6/2011 4:55:24 AM

dionysus

The fundamental mistake Western politicians such as George W. Bush make is thinking that Islam is just like Christianity only different.

George W. Bush made a ton of fundamental mistakes, however, this isn't one of them. For one, they're both based on the same damn books, the Muslims just added a few chapters and revised them a bit. But aside from that, I see from the posts here on FSTDT that fundie Christians and fundie Muslims are almost identical in how they act. The only difference is that fundie Christians haven't yet gotten the theocracy they crave.

They are so accustomed to an environment shaped by a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law that they assume that everybody wants those things.

That's the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. SOME Christians value liberty, freedom of religion, and equality but you fundies are NOT in that group and if you had your way we'd be back to the way things were before the Enlightenment. To say you support equality and free religion when you believe that gays shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us and that we should, as a normal course of our country's foreign policy, try to convert all Muslims is so disingenuous it's fucking physically painful.

5/6/2011 5:05:01 AM

Myron T. Philpot

a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law

This is not completely accurate. I am a non-believer and prize liberty, freedom, personal choice, equality and justice just as much as any of my fellow Americans.

there is a hunger for freedom in every human heart.

Call me naive but I believe this to be true.

the hunger beating in the breast of Islam is for the exact opposite of freedom, totalitarian control.

This is also true of Christianity (witness the Dominion movement), governments, even home-owners associations (witness some of their draconian neighborhood rules). There is a primal need in us to control other's behavior. Whether that is moral or justified has yet to be determined.

5/6/2011 5:13:59 AM

nutcase

Bryan Fischer is writing propaganda for Islamic extremists and doesn't even realize it. His eliminationist rhetoric would be a fantastic recruitment tool for terrorist organizations.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn his nuttery is already being passed off in some quarters as indicative of common Western sentiment.

5/6/2011 5:30:38 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

I..uh...you know what? Do send in those missionaries. Start in an easy place, that's already an ally like Saudi Arabia too. I'll go ahead and pop some popcorn.

5/6/2011 5:37:42 AM

Horus IX

"There is a hunger for human freedom beating in the breast of Christianity, but the hunger beating in the breast of Islam is for the exact opposite of freedom, totalitarian control."

Replace Christianity with Islam and vice versa. Shiny Mirror is shiny.

Also...Please take your missionaries to the Islams...I'll stay home and eat some popcorn and watch as the hilarity ensues.

5/6/2011 5:49:37 AM

nutbunny

...a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law...

Juxtaposed with

we should be sending missionaries in, right after we send in the Marines to neutralize whatever threat has been raised against the United States.

5/6/2011 5:53:34 AM

Doctor Whom

They are so accustomed to an environment shaped by an Enlightenment worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion and equality under the law that they assume that everybody wants those things.

Fixed.

5/6/2011 6:08:57 AM

Pilotess

Building a Democracy - Biblical Christianity

*rotflmao*

5/6/2011 6:24:32 AM

Zeus Almighty

No. Just no.

5/6/2011 7:00:55 AM

Anon-e-moose

"The only thing that will give us a shot at building a democracy in an Islamic land is a mass conversion of its people to biblical Christianity."

...so, history not on the curriculum when you were being 'hoemskuled' eh, Bryan? I'm no Professor of History, yet even I know that it was the ancient Greeks who invented the concept of Democracy. That's 'ancient', as in BCE.

Even the word 'Democracy' is derived from the Greek 'Demos' (meaning 'People') and 'Kratos' (meaning 'Strength'). Thus 'Strength of the People'.

Let us know when you & your ilk have a mass conversion to Zeus worship eh, Bryan Fischite?

Meanwhile, the rest of us on Planet Reality will promote the secular concept of Democracy, as per the modern embodiment of such: the Parliamentary system (ours in the UK is the basis of modern democracy, after all; post-English Civil War, elimination of the 'Divine Right of Kings', and all that jazz).

India is a very religious country (Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, Buddhism et al), yet post-Gandhi, it's system of government is extremely secular. Destroyed argument much, Bryan?

5/6/2011 7:05:06 AM

StoneSpiral

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather send in doctors with free medical care and teachers to give back basic education.

5/6/2011 7:37:24 AM

Doubting Thomas

If they don’t want our missionaries, fine. Their choice. We’ll take them and our Marines home, and let them know we’ll have no hesitation about returning with lethal force if they threaten us again. This time, Marines and missionaries. Next time, Marines and missiles.

Ah yes, forced conversion at the point of a bayonet. That will get all the heathens to know & love God & Jesus. They'll be knocking down the doors of churches begging to be baptized.

a Christian worldview, which prizes such things as individual liberty, freedom of conscience and religion

Except if you want to have sex before marriage, marry someone of your own gender, get an abortion, be an atheist, teach evolution, conduct stem-cell research, not pray in school, etc.

5/6/2011 7:39:03 AM

John

Almost no one, Christian or Muslim, takes their political opinions from their religion. Rather, they mold their religion to their opinions and then use their religion as an excuse to do what they wanted to do in the first place. Religious people always find that God agrees with them.

5/6/2011 7:49:35 AM

dionysus

@John

Religious people always find that God agrees with them.

Yup, and science agrees with this statement.

5/6/2011 8:32:43 AM

Anon-e-moose

Having done my democratic duty in the Local Elections yesterday (as I always do, either in Local and/or General Elections, since I turned 18), the 'Strength of the People' has shown it's worth - and how:

http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=221,668539&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/LOCAL-ELECTION-2011-Hull-results-updates-reporters/article-3528011-detail/article.html

We, the People ('Demos'), displayed our Strength ('Kratos') in giving the Liberal Democrats an almighty kicking (especially in the political bollocks, re. the national party; the Lib-Con alliance in No. 10? I'll give it six months, tops, thus a General Election). And this result has been reflected throughout most of the UK - especially the North* - too. Labour (Centre-Left) has emerged superior**.

And in no instance of any of the municipal Wards has religion even been mentioned, never mind such raised as an issue.

But then, Bryan Fischite, we in the UK - the basis of modern Democracy - aren't as obsessed about religion as you fundie nutty buggers are over there. PROTIP: As proved in my previous post, Democracy was invented way before Christianity even existed.

*- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2011

**- In my particular council Ward, the neo-Nazi BNP had a candidate running for a seat. His total number of votes? 142.



The candidate who won? 1683. His party? Labour.

My vote didn't go to waste. [/smug & superior]

5/6/2011 8:36:44 AM

rallymodeller

Well, well well, Look who's calling for modern Crusades. Surprise, surprise.

5/6/2011 8:43:20 AM

The_L

Please explain how conversion by the sword is anything BUT totalitarian.

...Yeah, that's what I thought.

5/6/2011 9:04:01 AM

elphada

This guy is seriously one sick human.

5/6/2011 9:09:39 AM
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