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"The stranger in ancient Israel did not serve as a judge, although he received all the benefits of living in the land. The political question is this: By what biblical standard is the pagan to be granted the right to bring political sanctions against God's people? We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation? Which judicial standards will they impose? By what other standard than the Bible?"

Gary North, Free Republic 55 Comments [5/3/2011 5:08:34 AM]
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>Implying this is a Christian nation.

5/3/2011 5:16:29 AM

jsonitsac

The standards as established within America's Common Law tradition as set out by the Constitution. You kow, what judges are bound to do?

5/3/2011 5:16:47 AM

Nowonmai

Gary, the USA is not a Christian Nation.. get over it.

5/3/2011 5:24:58 AM



...in a covenanted Christian nation...

The Non-Establishment Clause of the 1st Ammendment and the third paragraph of the Sixth Article disagree with you, Gary. Big time.

5/3/2011 5:27:39 AM

Mister Spak

By what American standard is the batshit insane fundie to be granted the right to tell anyone what to do?

5/3/2011 5:33:53 AM

Doctor Whom

I hear that Uganda is lovely at this time of year. Please send us a postcard.

5/3/2011 5:39:48 AM

Raised by Horses

Democracy, motherfucker. It doesn't mean "theocracy".

5/3/2011 5:51:04 AM

GigaGuess

Yup...I remember that age old, indisputible line.

With Freedom and Liberty for Christians, and everyone else can get fucked.

5/3/2011 5:58:58 AM

dionysus

Ah, Gary North, the Christian Reconstructionist who wants nothing more than to set us back both politically and scientifically to the 11th century. Hey dipshit, I have news for you: freedom of religion protects YOU too! It means that the Catholics can't tell you what to do and believe, it means that the Southern Baptists can't tell you what to do and believe, it means that if in the future some other religion becomes the majority, THEY can't tell you what to do and believe either.

You see, theocracy, like any dictatorship, only works out for the people that happen to be in charge and even then you're constantly in danger of being violently overthrown by other sects and by those in your own sect who crave your power. There's a reason why dictators tend to either go crazy or, if they were already crazy to begin with, go even crazier.

5/3/2011 6:12:22 AM

Drax

"We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation?"

OK. Why don't you move to a 'covenated Christian nation' then? Sounds like you'd be much happier there.

5/3/2011 6:18:35 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Wait a second, I'm almost done...

OK, I just read the Constitution again, just to double check and I have to tell you Gary that the founding document of the United States mentions god and Jesus and christianity exactly zero times. That is almost once.

I find that odd for a christian nation.

5/3/2011 6:23:03 AM

Horus IX

(snip)...By what biblical standard is the pagan to be granted the right to bring political sanctions against God's people?
Your mom. /ridicule

We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation?
Treaty of Tripoli, U.S. Constitution, and Law proves that the U.S. is NOT a Christian nation. But to answer your question, the U.S. Constitution, the very law of the nation itself.

Which judicial standards will they impose?
The freedom to be human and not live in a tyrannical religiously ran theocracy like that of Iran or Saudi Arabia.

By what other standard than the Bible?[/b]
By law, real morality, and human rights.

If the Bible was the standard we lived by at this day and age, <insert Godwin's Law violation here> or worse still living in the Dark Ages.

5/3/2011 6:33:20 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation?

I don't know. Why don't you go to Uganda and find out? The United States is a secular nation.

By what other standard than the Bible?

By a little-known document called the Constitution.

5/3/2011 6:38:31 AM

JSS

A little something called...



If you don't like it, I'm sure there's a middle eastern theocracy we could ship you to...

5/3/2011 6:42:53 AM

navelgazer

Why do you hate America?

5/3/2011 6:45:35 AM

Anon-e-moose

You fundies always say you're 'in this world, but not of it', amirite?

And politics is an extremely worldly thing, wouldn't you say?

Ergo, by your own admission, you fundies forfeit the right to vote. QED.

...what's that? You can't face the thought of not being allowed a say in the way your country's governed? Well then. You forfeit the right to have a religion. Only Atheists are allowed to vote.

Can't have your cake and eat it, pal. You can't in one breath complain about how worldly affairs affect you, yet in the other, say you're not of this world.

...however, there is an alternative: drink the special Kool-Aid. Go ahead. 909 people at Jonestown can't be wrong, after all.

Catch-22 can be such a bitch, can she not?

>:D

5/3/2011 6:45:54 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

Ooh, ooh! I know this one! Because Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion! Oh, and perhaps we can use the standards of the Constitution and logical thought. Or, maybe by putting all of the candidates on a dart board and voting for whichever one I hit, having no interest in standards. Quite frankly, its not your prerogative how others decide their vote, and you don't have the right to ban non-Christians from voting than we do to ban you for being a moron.

5/3/2011 6:54:05 AM

Allegory for Jesus

" The political question is this: By what biblical standard.."

Oof, fail right out of the gate.

5/3/2011 6:58:41 AM

TGRwulf

Treaty Of Tripoli bitch.

5/3/2011 7:01:09 AM

Heathen

I'm really getting tired of christians implying we pagans shouldn't have rights. Good luck trying to stop us ya fucks. I wouldn't be surprised if after the LGBT folks get their equal rights the fundies will once again turn their sights on us for some good old fashioned witch hunts.

5/3/2011 7:03:20 AM



But...the US isn't a christian nation! If anything it's a clearly secular nation.

5/3/2011 7:27:45 AM

Shadoboy

Gotta love how much these people wave around their american flags but know shit about their own history.

5/3/2011 8:19:16 AM

Joe Mama

Whenever you find a country that is a covenanted Christian nation, maybe you can find the answer. So far I don't know of any.

@#1285026

>Implying this is a Christian nation.

I don't think he's implying it, I think he's beating people over the head with it.

5/3/2011 8:22:31 AM

breakerslion

If the Babble were sufficient as a law book, why do we have Law Libraries? According to your book, you should now gouge your eyes out, Gary.

5/3/2011 9:03:09 AM

RiJayden- A Pissed-Off Pagan

As long as I am a citizen of THIS country, (which is NOT a Christian country, BTW,) this Pagan is going to vote! I think that traitorous Fundies shouldn't be able to vote, seeing as your values and proposed policies take a BIG dump on the Constitution.

5/3/2011 9:36:39 AM
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