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[A FReeper says the "black genocide" campaign is self-righteous.]

Nearly 4000 Americans are slaughtered in abortuaries EACH DAY and nearly 1800 of them are black.

How, PRECISELY, is it "self-righteous" to point out that blacks are being exterminated at THREE TIMES the rate of white Americans?

You've flung a lot of baseless accusations on this thread, but you have yet to answer one damn question or give any evidence to back up what you believe.

My hunch is that you are opposed to abortion of those who you consider actual persons, but I'm not so sure you consider all of the 53 million victims of the American Holocaust to be persons.

wagglebee, Free Republic 65 Comments [5/6/2011 3:31:50 AM]
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If you want to be taken seriously don't say words like "abortuaries" and "American Holocaust" it just makes you look like a nutcase.

5/6/2011 3:42:17 AM



That only leaves “nearly” 1600 for other races…

5/6/2011 3:47:23 AM

Cy

People in poverty are more likely to seek abortions, due to lack of access to contraception and inability to afford the costs of pregnancy and of raising a/another child. Black people are more likely to be in poverty, due to the effects of racism and the difficulty of getting out of poverty once in it.

I'm sorry if you want to imagine a world where pregnant black people are routinely dragged in off the street and forced to have an abortion, but reality doesn't work that way.

If you want to fix this, I suggest you campaign for work on programs to alleviate poverty, especially in black communities; demand that your senators grant more funding to Planned Parenthood so they can help provide more free contraception and other sexual health services; try to get more programs introduced that will help get black students from poor backgrounds into universities, or into other professions that will help them earn a decent wage... oh, wait, what am I talking about, it's a Freeper.

5/6/2011 4:04:08 AM

loki

I really hate it when people compare abortion to the holocaust. That is in every way a incredible dishonor and disrespect to the victims of the holocaust. Especially when these people are too stupid to know what happened during the holocaust.

5/6/2011 4:18:22 AM

Swede

I thought you got your American citizenship at birth. Shows what I know...

I think an actual person is a being with a nervous system and a brain, and the ability to stay conscious most of the time.

In an ideal world an actual person is someone who is aware of her/him self and her/his environment, and able to interact with said environment. Sadly, not all actual persons (born people with a citizenship) are able to do these things.

Why not concentrate on problems for people who have been born, before we worry about lumps of cells who have at best a 50% chance of being born.

5/6/2011 4:25:32 AM

Mister Spak

"My hunch is that you are opposed to abortion of those who you consider actual persons, but I'm not so sure you consider all of the 53 million victims of the American Holocaust to be persons."

You're starting to catch on.

Now think about this: There is no American holocaust, embryos are not babies, adult women are persons, and your church is a lieuary.

5/6/2011 4:30:59 AM



Your mischaracterisation of abortion as a genocide, instead of the reality of it being a decision women take based on real world issues, prevents you from achieving your goal of reducing abortion. If you engaged with the truth, and made an effort to deal with the kinds of problems which lead to either unwanted pregnancy or the poverty that forces women into difficult choices then you could make an actual difference. But you wont do that, because your campaign isn't really about people, it's about furthering your dogma.

5/6/2011 4:33:36 AM

D Laurier

and these "abortuaries" are????

5/6/2011 4:49:16 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"I'm not so sure you consider all of the 53 million victims of the American Holocaust to be persons."

Nope. Not a single one of them. They were all either embryos or fetuses.

5/6/2011 5:29:30 AM

dionysus

but I'm not so sure you consider all of the 53 million victims of the American Holocaust to be persons

Use hyperbole all you like but killing cells without a brain is not murder. Killing POTENTIAL human beings is not murder. The only reason anyone thinks it is is because they were fed this stupid idea that the second a sperm joins an egg it gets a little soul tacked onto it. And yet they can't say how it happens or demonstrate that it does.

5/6/2011 5:44:02 AM

Doctor Whom

You have permanently waived the right to accuse anyone else of playing the race card.

5/6/2011 6:15:02 AM

Pilotess

I bet you are one of the people complaining how black women have too many children and are on welfare ... it all depends what the talk is about on any given day, doesn't it?

5/6/2011 6:22:08 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

@Mister Spak

"There is no American Holocaust"

There was an American Holocaust, but it's over now. Good estimates for how many Native Americans were killed in the United States alone by Europeans and Americans ranges from 10 million to 114 million. If we split the difference and assume the middle number we get 62 million-- more than 5 times the number of people that Hitler killed during WWII. Granted, the US took a couple centuries, and the Germans did it in a few years, but what do you expect out of Germans if not efficiency?

Of course, this makes your point that much stronger. There was a real American Holocaust. This moron is completely ignoring that historical fact because 1) he doesn't want to admit that the founding fathers were mass murderers, and 2) it undermines his (stupid and reaching) rhetorical point.

5/6/2011 6:44:01 AM

Doubting Thomas

But if those black people were born, you wouldn't give two shits about them. Nor, I'm willing to bet, do you give two shits about any living black person.

5/6/2011 7:02:33 AM

Anon-e-moose

You like flinging irrelevant statistics around, in an attempt to be 'self-righteous', re. abortion, wagglebee? Well, here's some statistics for you:

US Prison Population: 2 million

Christian: 80%

Atheist: 0.02%

How many of those convictions are for murder? How many for rape, hmmmmmm?!

I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

[/hyper-smug, ultra-self-righteous and megaholier than thou]

5/6/2011 7:12:11 AM

aaa

It's quite depressing that this is one of the better posts in that FR thread.

5/6/2011 7:18:34 AM

John

Since no one is forcing black women to have abortions, wouldn't that make outlawing abortion "racist"? After all, assuming the statistic is right, you'd be forcing black women to have unwanted babies at three times the rate of white women. That's after denying them good-paying jobs that would perhaps allow them to keep the babies in the first place.

5/6/2011 7:21:00 AM

Zimmer

Except when black women actually do make the choice to have children, you Republicans will hate them and their kids anyway.

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/150797/the_heartless_way_conservatives_treat_young_women_who_choose_to_have_babies/?page=2

5/6/2011 7:21:24 AM

Mister Spak

@Veras the Brujah

He wasn't talking about savage heathen injuns killed by True Christian Americans®. He was talking about babies killed by liberal atheist pagans.

5/6/2011 7:24:42 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

"American Holocaust"?

LMFAO..talk about baseless accusations.

5/6/2011 7:35:00 AM

Panz

Of course you will cite reliable sources for your numbers, correct?

"You've flung a lot of baseless accusations on this thread"

Yes, you have, citations plz

5/6/2011 7:48:31 AM

Papabear

Speaking of "baseless accusations..."

5/6/2011 7:50:47 AM

Papabear

Speaking of "baseless accusations..."

5/6/2011 7:51:57 AM

Sisyphus

That's because they're not "persons" wagglebee. They're clumps of undifferentiated cells with no nervous system, thoughts, feelings or abilities.

Also, citation needed for the "black extermination" claims.

5/6/2011 8:53:51 AM

Deep Search

AHAHA. That whole thing was hilarious to read. Pro-Lifers eating their own. The freeper who said the site was "self-righteous" was a dumbass heartless hardcore pro-lifer, too, but because they didn't believe Planned Parenthood was about eugenics they get bashed as a racist and a troll.

Delicious~

5/6/2011 8:59:04 AM
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