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The Almighty God made Noah’s Ark and its passengers survive the Biblical flood that killed all of the dinosaurs. The Biblical flood is why we have so many dinosaur fossils. Even the water dinosaurs it would seem needed to rest on land periodically and could not swim perpetually. When there was nowhere left for them to rest they died. Without a cataclysmic water event we would not have all of these fossils. (Get a book on fossilization and evolution.)

The science community says that all of the fossilization events happened at different times over hundreds of millions of years. They say part of their belief in evolution stems from different animals being in different strata. Less complex animals are in lower strata and more complex animals are in higher strata, with those in the highest strata being man and birds. Well… if there were a global flood who would get to high ground better? More complex animals would, and at the top would be man and birds. Scientist say the Biblical flood is illogical or unscientific. Do they watch the news? Do they see how easily many places are flooded after just one storm? Creatures that were exclusively sea creatures survived the flood. That is the reason that science shows that sea life is older than life on land.
The Biblical flood offers an explanation for fossilization; the strata that fossils are found in, in general; and for the fact that sea creatures are older than land creatures. There is even more science in the Biblical flood but that will be in later articles. Remember, an Almighty God, if He Exists, can do anything.

Ivan Roberts, Examiner 59 Comments [5/7/2011 10:55:54 AM]
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Berny

The idea that all the fossils were laid down in the Great Flood is disproven by the fact that the fossils are all organized in accordance with the way evolution would predict. Furthermore, as any geologist will tell you, the layers would not have deposited the way they did if they had all been stirred up by a Great Flood. There are layers of sediment that take thousands of years to accumulate found sandwiched between layers that settle in days. The Great Flood of Noah is disproved by science. Try again retard.
If you're going to use the argument that God can do anything even make it look like it took millions of years, you fail. What's to stop me from saying we all originated last Tuesday with complete memories and the appearance of age? Nothing.

5/7/2011 11:27:21 AM

sandchigger

Show me the fossil of an American Buffalo that was killed during the western expansion of white settlers. If fossilization happens as quickly as you say it must then surely one of the millions of buffalo slaughtered and left to rot on the ground in the century before last must be well on its way to fossilization if not done by now. All I ask is that you present me with evidence thereof. I would also accept a fossilized passenger pigeon or dodo from the same time period.

5/7/2011 11:38:14 AM

J-

Key word in all of that?

"if"

because "if" he does not, then "He" can't do anything. Even the most ardent of fundies can't get past the word "if".

5/7/2011 11:48:41 AM

Ockam's Laser

Ichthyosaurs.

5/7/2011 12:09:42 PM



Yahweh couldn't even defeat some ancient dudes with iron chariots. Sorry, try harder.

5/7/2011 12:14:37 PM

Old Viking

For now I'll stick with the non-Biblical explanations.

5/7/2011 12:15:32 PM

Mihangel apYrs

Berny
May I welcome you to the church of LastTuesdayism?

5/7/2011 12:19:50 PM

Brendan Rizzo

But if that's the case, then how come:

-The gelogical layers are not set up the way they would have been in a flood?

-Whales are found in the same strata as other mammals, despite being not only aquatic, but the heaviest animals that ever lived?

-Fossils of corals (i.e. sessile animals) are found in land areas? Corals, by their very nature, can only live in places surrounded by water for thousands of years-- much less time than the Biblical flood.

-There are so many fossil fuels in the ground that if all of the plants from which said fuels are derived were alive at the same time that the area of the plants would be larger than the area of the Earth?

-More complex plants are higher in the strata than less complex plants? Many flowering plants are only as massive as mosses and ferns; if they were hydrologically sorted you'd expect all light plants at the top, and all trees (including the angiosperm trees) to be at the bottom.

-There are "lower" animals and plants found in all layers, but "higher" forms are only found on top? (Not to mention that the lower organisms in higher strata are STILL very different from the lower organisms on lower strata.)

-The logistical problems of the Noah's Ark story would make all life have died out soon after the Flood if it were true?

5/7/2011 12:23:46 PM

Wookieduck

The Ark story is pretty much impossible from top to bottom. For an entertaining read why, go here and start scrolling:

http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark


5/7/2011 12:47:57 PM

Passerby

Reasons there was not a flood:

If the world were flooded, the water would have to drain somewhere or we would *still* be underwater.

Even if the hypothetical water had drained, the land would be ruined by the salty seawater. All plantlife would have been uprooted and destroyed. The soil would be infertile, preventing replanting. There would not be a single freshwater lake left.

There is also the issue of how Noah would happen to feed two of every animal plus his 8 member family for that period. This is a particularly important question as some animals have dietary requirements impossible to meet under those conditions such as carnivores and carrion eaters. Even if they fished during that period, that would not account for the survival of most alpha predators.

How he would have gathered these creatures from every part of the world is also a bit of an impossibility. Sailing on a ship straight from one continent to the next would have taken months. So how would Noah have not only built a ship that must have rivalled the Titanic but found the time to swing by China for pandas, Australia for a pair of kangaroos, Canada for some beavers, USA for buffalo, etc.

The journey, search, and wrangling with travel available at the time the bible was written would have taken longer than a human could live, to say nothing of the much shorter-lived creatures supposedly being gathered. Keep in mind that the Bible claims this is all taking place in an entirely undisclosed period before real history was being recorded (and yet Noah and family enjoyed things common to the time period of the writing) so there would be even greater hindrances. Noah had to do this on surprise notice.

Dinosaurs and your fairy tale also exclude eachother, as many were water-breathing and flight-capable. Since Noah was instructed to take two of every animal (as opposed to two of everything you have room for) that would have to include land-based dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were never mentioned at any point in the bible, but we have their bones as proof they were here.

There is no such similar proof of a flood, or of humans that lived for 900 years.

5/7/2011 1:02:38 PM

Bine


I checked out Wookieduck's link and it's scary that the site has to have the subtitle: defending the teaching of evolution in public schools.
I mean, what the hell?? How can the religious idiots have so much influence, that a site like that has to created?


5/7/2011 1:10:54 PM

Panz

"Creatures that were exclusively sea creatures survived the flood. That is the reason that science shows that sea life is older than life on land. "

You do realize a flood that great would change the ph levels of oceans and fresh water to a point that only a small fraction of sea life might survive, right?

If your god can do anything, then he is a deceiver and a liar.

5/7/2011 1:24:57 PM



He should have left out everything except for the last sentence. Trying to use science to justify the bible is idiotic and makes my head hurt.

5/7/2011 1:56:19 PM

TGRwulf

Wow, just... wow. That's some mighty powerful bullshit.

5/7/2011 2:02:31 PM




5/7/2011 2:30:42 PM

casewithscience

"The Biblical flood offers an explanation for fossilization; the strata that fossils are found in, in general; and for the fact that sea creatures are older than land creatures."

If there was one flood then there would be one stratum. Because there are multiple strata, we can deduce that Ivan Roberts is a fucktard.

See how easy science can be.


5/7/2011 2:57:00 PM

Styphon

Ivan Roberts: Proud graduate of Answers in Genesis U!

5/7/2011 3:02:43 PM

DarkfireTaimatsu

(Get a book on fossilization and evolution.)

You first.

5/7/2011 3:13:09 PM

Xotan

Got it wrong from the very first sentence, Ivan. Noah built the ark, according to the Bible. Try reading it sometime.

5/7/2011 4:27:59 PM

TheJebusFire


5/7/2011 4:34:54 PM

John

Less complex animals are in lower strata and more complex animals are in higher strata, with those in the highest strata being man and birds.

The least able to get to higher ground would be plants; and they're in layers, too.

5/7/2011 4:40:36 PM

Alencon

The degree of ignorance just boggles the mind. I get depressed every time I read one of these rants.

Now what's really scary is thinking about this fool having children. All in favor of choping off his equipment raise their hands. *waves hand*

5/7/2011 5:12:02 PM

Alleyprowler

@TheJebusFire: I want that coloring book! And those crayons!

Why do people who distrust or outright hate science so much try to use it to prove that bible stories are real? </rhetorical question>

5/7/2011 5:12:23 PM

dionysus

I love how fundies always forget that water creatures are the majority of the fossil record and that many of them (i.e. ammonites) float. And unless you're going to show that sea creatures drowned first and somehow cancelled out their buoyancy your little scenario is nothing but a fantasy.

5/7/2011 5:56:22 PM

Brianisha

There is a flood, right between your ears.

5/7/2011 6:09:13 PM
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