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Even the idea in the Wizard of Oz, that there are both “good” and “bad” witches, was channeled through an occultist by the name of Frank Baum (1851-1919).

Baum, who authored the Wizard of Oz, and converted it into a stage play before it became one of the most popular movies of all time, claimed, “There is a strong tendency in modern novelists toward introducing some vein of mysticism or occultism into their writings.”
The Annotated Wizard of Oz

Baum, an occultist who belonged to Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society (Blavatsky, like Aleister Crowley, claimed that Satan was good), used his writings to promote Theosophical views of magic and the occult. Baum claimed that he had channeled the Wizard of Oz, “It was pure inspiration.... It came to me right out of the blue. I think that sometimes the Great Author has a message to get across and He has to use the instrument at hand. I happened to be that medium, and I believe the magic key was given me to open the doors to sympathy and understanding, joy, peace and happiness.” (Michael Patrick Hearn edition; The Annotated Wizard of Oz, New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1973)

Baum’s channeled message doesn’t only teach children that there are “good” witches, but the message of Glinda (the “good” witch) to Dorothy was that she didn’t have to look outside herself for answers. “You've always had the power…” Glinda reveals to Dorothy. This, my friend, is basically the same message that is conveyed throughout the occult-based movies of our day, en masse, i.e., “We don’t need to turn to God; we already have the power within. We need only tap into this latent power through meditation, incantations, contemplative prayer, etc.”

Joe Schimmel, Good Fight Ministries 57 Comments [5/11/2011 2:53:06 AM]
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nutbunny

“We don’t need to turn to God; we already have the power within. We need only tap into this latent power through meditation, incantations, contemplative prayer, etc.”


Response is SO?

5/11/2011 3:07:54 AM

Anget

Damn straight.

5/11/2011 3:33:22 AM

David B.

"We don’t need to turn to God; we already have the power within. We need only tap into this latent power through meditation, incantations, contemplative prayer, etc."

And magic ruby slippers.

5/11/2011 4:00:11 AM

Katherine Lorraine

Or in the Land of Sane People... Wizard of Oz was a socio-political commentary with themes of self-fulfillment and growth.

Wasn't this fight fought in 1986?

5/11/2011 4:04:01 AM

Canadia

@nutbunny

Well, it's not like anyone can rely on themselves, that would put the church out of business.

5/11/2011 4:09:40 AM



I thought it was a commentary on the economy of the time or something like that.

5/11/2011 4:20:49 AM

Doctor Whom

Yeah, 'cause teaching self-reliance is obviously satanic.

5/11/2011 4:36:51 AM

TGRwulf

Wasn't the book about the economy and how certain commoditity companies were being screwed over? Remember, her slippers were originally SILVER not ruby.

5/11/2011 4:47:07 AM

The_L

I fail to see where "you are just as good a spiritual authority as your pastor" and "use your abilities and inner strength to make the world a better place" are BAD things.

Seriously, all this has proven to me is:

• The occult makes young people more independent and less liable to being scammed by televangelists; and

• Schimmel knows no more about Baum, Blavatsky, or Crowley than my dog does.



Also, if they're never turning to a god, then to whom is this "contemplative prayer" addressed? Prayers, by definition, are to Someone.

5/11/2011 4:52:32 AM

dionysus

Baum’s channeled message doesn’t only teach children that there are “good” witches, but the message of Glinda (the “good” witch) to Dorothy was that she didn’t have to look outside herself for answers. “You've always had the power…” Glinda reveals to Dorothy.

So it tells us not to vilify an entire group of people (in this case a fictional group) since there are both good and bad members of the group and it tells us that we can solve our own problems. Already this occultism thing sounds much more reasonable than fundamentalist Christianity.

5/11/2011 4:56:08 AM

Mister Spak

Tell me your opinion on the Mickey Mouse cartoon 'The Sorcererss Apprentice'.

5/11/2011 5:05:40 AM

farpadokly

This is bullshit. 'Nuff said.

5/11/2011 6:08:41 AM

D Laurier

Also, The Wizard of Oz accurately describes religion....
Remember the man behind the curtain?

5/11/2011 6:19:41 AM

Anon-e-moose

As suggested by Joey-boy's bitching about what is a classic literature/film fantasy, he's a latent Friend of Dorothy himself.

He'd better not watch any anime, if he knows what's good for him:

Sae Sawanoguchi, Nanaka Nakatomi, and Akane Aikawa (in "Mahou Tsukai Tai"):



Witches.

And if he ever heard of the existence of the anime series "Strike Witches", well, methinks this would be the result:



>:D X3

5/11/2011 6:32:47 AM

Doubting Thomas

I don't think that Frank Baum invented the ideas of "good" or "bad" witches, since the ideas of "white" or "black" magic have been around for a long, long time.

We don’t need to turn to God; we already have the power within.

As a Humanist, I don't see any problem with this at all. If we're ever going to make the world better, we have to do it ourselves. Two hands working do far more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

5/11/2011 6:35:19 AM

JohnTheAtheist

But I thought that god was within each and every one of us?

Listen Joe, can you convene some sort of conference and come up with one doctrine so we know what to make fun of? Thanks.

PS - Joe should really watch Oz with the Dark Side of the Moon soundtrack playing.

5/11/2011 6:38:43 AM

Moondog

(shrill Monty Python voice) I didn't know Australia had a wizard. I thought we were an autinomous collective.

5/11/2011 7:02:36 AM

Brandy Bogard

WAHT

5/11/2011 7:47:29 AM

Raised by Horses

Why is it that fundies are so intimidated by childrens' books and fiction (think Harry Potter, D&D... oh, and let's not forget rock & roll / backmasking).

Hmmm... maybe it's because their own beliefs are based on ancient fiction. Can't have anything else challenge it, now can we?

5/11/2011 8:15:24 AM

rallymodeller

@Anon-E-Moose:

Seriously, Schimmel REALLY needs to watch "Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai" -- "The World God Only Knows.


Elucia de Lute Ima. Elsie is the cutest demon ever!

5/11/2011 8:22:53 AM

Atheissimo

You're not a cursed worm who relies on the whim of the almighty to continue your pitiful existence, won through supplication and constant begging for forgiveness for a transgression committed thousands of years ago by someone else?

BLASPHEMY!

5/11/2011 8:37:46 AM

Chatvert

Wait. I'm confused. Wasn't The Wizard of Oz about the gold standard?

Oh, forget it...

5/11/2011 8:43:00 AM

feralboy12

You should ask the wizard for some brains, Joe.

5/11/2011 8:46:04 AM

Brendan Rizzo

The Wizard of Oz. The Wizard of Oz. The fundies have a problem with that, too. I don't understand why they believe that ad hominem attacks like this have any validity-- and this is assuming that Mr. Schimmel is not lying through his teeth: a questionable assumption in itself. You would think the fundies would go after Baum for being a socialist or something, but no it's straight to the occult with them. Aye aye aye...

5/11/2011 8:47:44 AM



”Blavatsky, like Aleister Crowley, claimed that Satan was good.”
Drivel.

5/11/2011 9:40:34 AM
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