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...yet NOT one contradiction exists.
A big stone tripping you up right here.
5/11/2011 3:05:15 AM
...Oh come on, that's too easy.
I'll start off with 'bats are birds' and 'insects have four legs'.
5/11/2011 3:17:28 AM
Contradictions? Let's see,,,
Mark 15:26 - The inscription: “The King of the Jews.”
Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”
Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”
John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”
Mark 15:23 - Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesn’t drink
Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36 - Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesn’t drink
John 19:29-30 - Jesus is given vinegar and he drinks
Mark 15:25 - Jesus was crucified on the “third hour.”
John 19:14-15 - Jesus was crucified on the “sixth hour.”
Matthew, Luke - It’s not stated when the crucifixion starts, but the “sixth hour” occurs during the crucifixion
Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50 - Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (but they use different Greek words for “God” — Matthew uses “Eli” and Mark uses “Eloi”)
Luke 23:46 - Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”
John 19:30 - Jesus says: “It is finished.
Don't even get me started. The contradictions and non-sequiturs are one of the (many) reasons I stopped believing it was ever infallible.
5/11/2011 3:24:45 AM
5/11/2011 3:36:11 AM
I personally like the basics--'turn the other cheek' versus 'an eye for an eye,' but since contextualized those are both moderations of the standard revenge tropos of their times, it's not the greatest example. Bible contains so MUCH fail, how do you choose?
@Cabraxas: That's, uh, not Greek. The 'eli/eloi' bit is from where they quote Jesus in Aramaic, which was in turn an apparent mangling of the Hebrew Psalm 22.
5/11/2011 3:37:00 AM
and that's before we ask just what happened on the Sunday of the resurrection - the pivotal day for Xians.
All 4 gospels disagree, each with the other
5/11/2011 3:48:40 AM
"Because if the bible is not the word of God and is not inerrant then the bible cannot be relied on as spiritual truth."
Yup, I'd kinda came to that conclusion myself.
"My personal challenge to you, is to provide me with any errors you might believe exist in the bible"
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"
5/11/2011 3:58:22 AM
The adventures of a genocidal wizard and His magic son.
Every word is true, every murder wholeheartedly committed, every innocent dweller and all their children and all their livestock inerrantly slain. And all for you, that ye may slaver and snarl, safe in the knowledge that your mighty Lord keeps at bay the humanitarian forces of compassion and kindness.
Go ye in peace my people. For the way is lighted with pyres and strewn with giblets that ye may not stray.
5/11/2011 3:58:36 AM
Does he really want to play this game?
Humans are spoken into creation after plants and animals.
Adam is created before plants and animals out of clay, Eve is created from his rib after plants and animals.
5/11/2011 4:00:43 AM
> Because if the bible is not the word of God and is not inerrant then the bible cannot be relied on as spiritual truth.
Meanwhile, saner people know the world isn't black and white, and get the point the Discordians tried to make: even weird nonsense can have gems of profound truth.
Trust me. You'll sleep better when you accept that Bible just might also contain unjustifiable bullshit, among some interesting bits.
> My personal challenge to you, is to provide me with any errors you might believe exist in the bible (contradictions, lies, etc).
With the continuous and systematic refutation that has been going on for centuries, this is not exactly a "challenge" any more, is it?
> Try getting a few different guys from the same neighborhood and ask them to write some truth about spiritual things and you'll end up with an incredible amount of contradictions, errors etc.
I can get a bunch of people from the same neighbourhood and every single one of them agree that a) "don't be a dick" is a pretty damn good moral guideline and b) it doesn't actually need 1000 pages of elaboration.
> in great detail
I've yet to see this "great detail" in the Bible.
A trivial challenge to you: Who exactly were these Pharaohs mentioned in the Bible? I mean, if the Bible was so accurate and detailed, why are there still questions on who exactly were these people? I'm not a historian, but I know that Egyptians had a whole bunch of Pharaohs over millennia and the Bible's helpful mention that "oh, there was this Pharaoh guy" isn't exactly the kind of accuracy historians strive for these days. Compare this to the Greeks, who were clueful enough to talk of things with their real names.
5/11/2011 4:04:11 AM
Pi =/= exactly equal to 3
5/11/2011 4:07:28 AM
Here's a helpful graph!
5/11/2011 4:07:40 AM
How is it that the idea of someone cooking up these stories AFTER the purported events never occurs to these idiots?
As for contradictions, my personal challenge to you, Steve, is:
1. look up the phrase "bible contradictions" on your favourite internet search engine
2. shit bricks
5/11/2011 4:22:56 AM
Was Jehoiachin 8 or 18 when he became king?
2Ki 24:8 Jehoiachin [was] eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name [was] Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2Ch 36:9 Jehoiachin [was] eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD.
Was Ahaziah 22 or 42 when he became king?
2Ki 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.
2Ch 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.
Shall I go on with the contradictions or is that enough for you?
5/11/2011 4:31:48 AM
I feel like breaking this shit down! :D Part 1:
The following are the only undeniably true statements in the OP:
"The first thing I attempt to discuss with such people, as yourself, is the validity of the bible."
"This “book”, actually consists of 66 books written by different authors spanning over a period of 1400 years, from 3 different continents, men ranging from shepherds and fishermen to kings." (Technically, there are 74 books in the originally defined Bible canon, but I'm not going to split hairs on this because the Catholics and Protestants have never been able to sort this issue out.)
"Try getting a few different guys from the same neighborhood and ask them to write some truth about spiritual things and you'll end up with an incredible amount of contradictions, errors etc."
• The Bible MUST be factually accurate in all respects in order to be spiritually useful. (If this is the case, then all those comic strips and fictional pieces in the Chicken Soup For the Soul series would have to be removed, because otherwise it can't be inspirational.)
• The Bible contains no contradictions of any kind. (See also: lists of begats, numbers of people in different books talking about the same event--Hel, Gus DiZerega made a list of spiritual contradictions in the Bible in his book, Christians and Pagans.)
5/11/2011 4:38:47 AM
Facts which Steve does not take into account at all:
• The probability of correctly "predicting" an event which has already happened is 1. (i.e., it is impossible for the event NOT to happen)
• The probability of being able to, after the event, go back and find old writings that appear to predict this event (or can be twisted into looking like they predict the event) is also 1.
• All that "He will be called a Nazorean" stuff in the Gospel? Yeah, the original text said, "He will he called a Nazorite." The Nazorites were an ancient Jewish sect that, among other things, were forbidden to cut their hair--the long hair showing as an outward sign of their devotion to YHWH. (Samson was a Nazorite.)
• Isaiah: "A voice crying out: In the desert prepare a way for the Lord!" (The way is in the desert)
Gospels: "A voice crying out in the desert, Prepare a way for the Lord!" (The voice is in the desert)
Those are just two examples of "prophecies" that were slightly warped in order to fit the Jesus mold. There are dozens of others.
5/11/2011 4:39:53 AM
When I read the Bible on my own, as opposed to having pastors spoon-feed it to me, the first things that struck me were the inaccuracies and the contradictions. (The third was what a petty tyrant the OT God was.)
5/11/2011 4:41:57 AM
No contradictions in the bible? What, is it opposite day or something?
5/11/2011 4:44:42 AM
The bible has been proven wrong by the Holy Koran. And the Holy Koran has never been proven wrong. Try getting a few different guys from the same neighborhood and ask them to write some truth about spiritual things and you'll end up with an incredible amount of contradictions, errors etc. yet look what Allah did supernaturally with the writers of the Holy Koran!
5/11/2011 5:00:29 AM
My personal challenge to you, is to provide me with any errors you might believe exist in the bible
I'll give you my absolute favorite inaccuracy. You cannot actually change the pattern on a baby goat bu having its parents shag in front of rods of that patterns. Genetics just don't work that way.
5/11/2011 5:02:24 AM
We've all seen this before. I don't understand the point in trying to assert, "There are no contradictions in the Bible" when it's clearly riddled with them.
5/11/2011 5:35:38 AM
Oh boy, this really isn't going to be much of a challenge. Just look at the Skeptic's Annotated Bible site, which has a whole section on contradictions, and others on scientific and historical errors.
I think if you did get together a few guys from the neighborhood and asked them to write about "spiritual things", chances are it would make a whole lot more sense than what's in the Bible.
5/11/2011 5:59:01 AM
Contradictions in the Bible poster:
Have fun answer all 230 of them.
5/11/2011 6:06:16 AM
Doubting ThomasBecause if the bible is not the word of God and is not inerrant then the bible cannot be relied on as spiritual truth.
This is exactly why I'm an atheist and don't believe anything in the bible.
yet NOT one contradiction exists.
Except all of the contradictions that do exist in the bible, of course.
5/11/2011 6:21:03 AM
In the story "The Mound", H.P. Lovecraft writes about hills in Binger, OK. A place he never visited in his lifetime. The hills are really there, therefore by your logic it follows that everything else he wrote about must also be real.
5/11/2011 6:44:25 AM
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