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"President" Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is trying to create a marxist/socialist dictatorship. In order to achieve this, he and his Dem/RINO allies must destroy the U.S. Constitution, which stands directly in their way.

Soetoro and his allies are attempting to destroy the constitution by creating a wedge. The point of their attack is the NBC Clause. Soetoro and his Dem/RINO allies are trying to mainstream the idea that that clause of the constitution does not really matter. Once that section becomes delegitimized, they can do the same with other clauses in the constitution they don't like, and so on.

Once you understand this, you understand the true motivations of a lot of pols out there. For example, Soetoro's allies support him *because* he is not a natural born citizen, not in spite of it. This way, his non-NBC status becomes a tool for destroying the NBC clause of the constitution.

The Dem role in this deception is to, among other things, play the race card. They are out selling the idea that anyone who questions Soetoro's legitimacy is a racist. No one wants to sound like a racist, so the idea that Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 is important becomes further marginalized. (Racist clause written by old white men, so they like to say)

The RINO role in the deception is to propagate the idea that if the issue of Barry Soetoro's legitimacy is pressed, then Republicans will lose in 2012. The point of this is to scare conservatives into silence. Don't raise the issue or demand that your reps/candidates do the same, they say, or the dems'll win. This scare tactic is a lie, as proven by numerous polls on the issue. The purpose of this line, like the purpose of the dem race card line, is to marginalize the importance of the NBC clause from the mainstream.

Barry Soetoro, and his communist/marxist/dem/RINO allies don't really care that much about the NBC clause of the U.S. Constitution. They simply want to find a clause, *any* clause, that they can marginalize. Because once they marginalize one clause, then they can easily marginalize the next clause they don't like, then the next, and so on. They have opportunistically zeroed in on Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 as the first point of attack.

This is about more than just Barry Soetoro's place of birth, or his forged certificate. This is about a subversive effort to de-legitimize the entire constitution, starting with one clause, and then all the way to a marxist dictatorship.

Article2-Section1-Clause 5, Free Republic 29 Comments [5/18/2011 3:53:16 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn


5/18/2011 4:06:30 AM



No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
So nobody is eligible to be President because there is no longer anybody who was alive at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

5/18/2011 4:17:48 AM

vaiyt

> "President" Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is trying to create a marxist/socialist dictatorship.

Any day now...

5/18/2011 4:41:41 AM



The dictatorship is likely starting to happen, see the treatment of Bradley Manning.

5/18/2011 5:12:23 AM

Zits

"The dictatorship" has been in the planning stages for 200 plus years....yawn let me know when we have something more credible than abortive spellings of people's names.

5/18/2011 5:14:03 AM

Raised by Horses



The OP and I can agree on one thing: There's plenty of reason to criticize Obama, but race ain't one of them.

When Noam Chomsky described Obama as a "warmed-over Bush", I thought he was being harsh, even disingenuous. It turns out, however, that he was right on the money. If you examine their policies and general political bent, there aren't that many differences. Just a different manner of presentation regarding the man himself.

This, however, is just paranoid fantasy bullshit. Obama, like Bush, Clinton et al before him, works for the big corporate interests on Wall Street. So no, we're not going to see the US transformed into a "Marxist dictatorship" anytime soon. The presidency is here to safeguard the US's beloved "free market" (read: oligarchies and established power structures) and to keep the public pig ignorant and busy bickering with itself.

5/18/2011 5:21:28 AM

Doubting Thomas

If he's trying to turn the country into a socialist dictatorship, shouldn't he actually, you know, start doing something toward this end? I mean, he's wasted half his first term, and we're still no closer to a dictatorship.

And frankly I think you failed your high school civics/government class, because the president and/or Congress just don't get to make changes to the U.S. Constitution at will or ignore parts or the whole of it.

the idea that if the issue of Barry Soetoro's legitimacy is pressed, then Republicans will lose in 2012.

That's because most people in this country realize the birthers are a bunch of right-wing, mostly racist, fuckwads. And any legitimate Republican candidate embracing the birther conspiracy theory might as well bend over and kiss his ass goodbye.

Barry Soetoro, and his communist/marxist/dem/RINO allies don't really care that much about the NBC clause of the U.S. Constitution.

President Obama doesn't care about it because he's already proven that he's a natural-born citizen.

This is about more than just Barry Soetoro's place of birth, or his forged certificate. This is about a subversive effort to de-legitimize the entire constitution, starting with one clause, and then all the way to a marxist dictatorship.

Yeah, I'll worry about that when it happens. Do you think the entire country is just going to sit back and let any president ignore the Constitution? Besides G.W. Bush and his Patriot act, that is?

This reminds me of all the conspiracy theories that Clinton was going to establish martial law before his 2nd term was up and make himself dictator. Then with all the uncertainty of the 2000 election, Clinton was going to make it null and void so that he could remain president for life. Then G.W. Bush was going to establish martial law and make himself dictator. Now it's Obama. And they'll be saying the same thing about whoever replaces Obama.

5/18/2011 6:41:19 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Do these idiots honestly think that Barry Soetoro is Obama's real name? Hell, that even goes against their other favorite conspiracy theory, that he was born in Kenya. What is to gain from calling him that?

Of course, this is all a propagandistic lie. Obama has been upholding the Constitution better than Bush ever did. Also, there haven't been RINOs or DINOs in large numbers since the Eighties (thanks in no small part to the Freepers' Messiah, Ronnie Raygun).

And no one would claim that the Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution was added only because the Founders were racist old white men. There was a very practical reason for it that may not be relevant today, but definitely was so in 1787. The Founders wanted to make it impossible for a member of European nobility to move to the United States, get elected president, and either destroy the United States by combining it with a European monarchy, or turn it into a monarchy. Obviously, there is no chance of such a thing happening today.

5/18/2011 7:54:22 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Raised by Horses:

"Obama, like Bush, Clinton et al before him, works for the big corporate interests on Wall Street. So no, we're not going to see the US transformed into a "Marxist dictatorship" anytime soon. The presidency is here to safeguard the US's beloved "free market" (read: oligarchies and established power structures) and to keep the public pig ignorant and busy bickering with itself."

So you are basically saying that there is no hope for there to be any positive changes in the United States. Thank you for destroying my last faith in the goodness of my country. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!

5/18/2011 7:58:11 AM



For the rest of the world, who knows what Socialism and works, America pretty much looks the same. So?

5/18/2011 8:22:01 AM



NBC? CBS and ABC, too?

5/18/2011 9:19:50 AM

Lucilius

Barack Obama: still black, still president.

Freepers: still impotent shitheads.

5/18/2011 9:24:03 AM

Styphon

What the fuck do these people not understand about Obama being born to a US citizen? He could have been born in the Soviet Union and still would be able to be President. I was born in Misawa, Japan to US citizens, does that mean I'm ineligible to run to you Freepers? Or is it cool because I'm white?

5/18/2011 10:58:56 AM

aaa

I find it quite amusing that quite a few people think that Obama is a leftist. At most, he's a milquetoast centrist with all the spine of a bored invertebrate.

5/18/2011 11:00:32 AM

nazani14

Please, raise those issues! I want to see lots of footage of GOP candidates respectfully listening to your rants and not telling you you're nuts. I want to hear everything Michelle Bachman has to say about history and economics and everything Ron Paul has to say about property rights. Everything Pawlenty and Romney have to say about z z z z .....

5/18/2011 11:21:21 AM

rallymodeller

@Styphon:

Basically, yes. In fact, while the Birthers crow about Obama's citizenship, there was actually legal cause to question McCain's eligibility on exactly the same grounds as yours (i.e. he was actually born in Panama). But no one did that because, y'know, McCain's a white guy.

5/18/2011 12:16:23 PM

Balthazar The Wise

*blearily opens his eyes, blinking the sleep out of them.*

Sorry, this conspiracy nut's long ranting made me fall asleep, would anyone mine summarizing what the hell he just said?

5/18/2011 2:26:33 PM



where does this barry soetoro thing come from anyway? as for sense in this quote, am i the only one who gets a persistent 404 error?

5/18/2011 5:08:58 PM

Raised by Horses

"So you are basically saying that there is no hope for there to be any positive changes in the United States. Thank you for destroying my last faith in the goodness of my country. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!"

...yes?

I wouldn't say that there's no hope for change, but corporations have WAY too much power in America, and as long as people let that pass, things aren't going to change much. People need to realize what the score is, challenge institutions like the Chamber of Commerce and Federal Reserve, and demand more transparency and accountability of them, to counter the rampant corruption, back-scratching and pay-to-play practices that make up the current system.

5/18/2011 5:26:41 PM

Passerby

I checked into the Barry Soetoro thing. The birthers pulled that name from a document supposedly proving Obama applied for a foreign student scholarship under that name. When Obama was 3 his mother remarried a man named Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia. Barack kept his father's name, and I don't think anybody called him 'Barry' in his youth. Claiming his birth name is Soetoro is beyond the scope of simple idiocy if that's what these people are doing.

The document itself, however, is not available for examination. We just have to take their word that it exists and is legitimate and can somehow be linked to Barack Obama. Of course, this implies that anyone could get a scholarship by putting down a fake name and claiming to be from another country, which is somewhat stupid considering the background checks financial institutions perform. If this document is real, it would only prove that a scholarship was approved through fraudulent information, not that Obama was born in Indonesia. (Weren't they trying to say Kenya all this time?)

However, fact checking of any kind requires that the document be compared to existing records that the birthers claim are unavailable. This would still require birthers to accept the documentation Obama has provided as legitimate for them to claim any sort of victory.

I'm interested in whether or not they could produce Barry Soetoro's birth certificate since they're so adamant that's the name on Barack Obama's.

Despite, you know, the long and short form birth certificates they've been given. And the announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961. And the note in Obama Sr.'s immigration file that he fathered a child with an American citizen while in the US.

Edit: A second sweep of my sources reveals that the initial 'news tip' wasn't just false but an outright practical joke. Another document waved around by birthers - this one real - is Barack Obama's elementary school registration filled out by Lolo Soetoro. He listed his stepson's name as Barry Soetoro with Indonesia as his country of residence and Islam as his faith, but it should be noted that the birthplace listed for that document is Honolulu and Lolo listed the boy's faith as Islam because the only elementary school in the area was funded by religious groups. From a purely legal standpoint, your parents cannot declare your faith or renounce citizenship on your behalf so he's covered on those fronts too. Later on, Barack went to Catholic school with his registration *properly* filled out. Upon moving back to the US he was baptised and attended Christian services while going to college. His mother and father are a non-practicing methodist and atheist-from-a-muslim-household repectively.

5/18/2011 5:49:11 PM

Tempus

@Passerby: You mean you didn't know that Islam was like cooties, and could be spread by physical contact with infected individuals? Wow.

Remember, we're talking about people who are completely divorced from reality. Nothing anyone says or does would be enough to convince them that Obama isn't a stealth muslim/atheist/communist/fascist/illegal/Satanist at this point.


5/18/2011 10:08:45 PM



Divorced from reality? I thought that crowd was fond of the phrase 'till death do you part'

5/19/2011 1:10:07 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Raised By Horses:

And we all know that that isn't going to happen. Damn it...

5/19/2011 6:21:45 AM

werewolf

Why a Marxist dictatorship? Why can't we just have a good old-fashioned dictatorship making noises about "serving the people" and "protecting democracy" and all that shit?

5/19/2011 10:12:44 AM

JonnyTruant

Natural born citizen simply means that a person is a citizen from birth. It does not depend on location. All that it requires is that one of his parents is a citizen at the time of his birth -OR- he was born within the borders of the United States. Considering that both are true and nobody has contested the citizenship status of Obama's mother, then that should be the end of that.

However, you insist that it cannot be true. Since fact after fact has been presented, the irrational pursuit of the belief he cannot be a "NBC" of the US must come from some other source. Since he's black and this argument has never been used against any of his predecessors, we must assume that it your motivation is that he is black. This makes your arguments racist.

Arguing with air... these whackjobs are bringing us all down to their level.

5/20/2011 12:26:42 AM
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