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We have incrementally moved towards Marxism and now I think it's at an accelerated pace. There are lots of indicators as to exactly how we're moving along the lines of the Marxist model - if you look back historically at how societies, what they've done as they've moved toward Marxism, we're doing all of those things.

One of which is, you look at Hitler - and one of the most disgusting things I hear is people who call Hitler "the extreme right." The absolute opposite was true - it was the National Socialist Party, he was an extraordinarily off-the-scale leftist. But many Jews in America, for example, can't identify with the Republican Party because they're called the party of the right and they equate that to Hitler when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. So, that's just a data point.

One of the things that Hitler did was he established the Brownshirts. The Brownshirts where his constabulary force to control the population because, as you're making these radical changes, there has to be some entity that stands by you with the strength and the muscle to allow you to make these over the opposition and the protest of the sovereign, the people. So Hitler had the Brownshirts.

Well, in the lead-up to the election, during the campaigns, our current president said very openly, and you can find it on YouTube, if I am elected President , I will have a national civilian security force that is as large as and as powerful as the US military.

For what? Why do you need a national civilian security force?

Now most people say, well we haven't seen any signs of the administration doing that. Until you go back and read what nobody in Washington read, and that's the health care legislation that lays out a provision for the commissioning of officers to work directly for the President in time of a national emergency.

Now what would bring about a national emergency? An economic collapse, a terrorist attack, a natural disaster - we talked about all those things here - which would then allow for martial law. The foundation has been laid.


Jerry Boykin, Right Wing Watch 24 Comments [5/22/2011 3:14:13 PM]
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cdcdrr

Yet all these things have happened, and still no martial law. It's almost like Obama doesn't want to take total control of the country and 1/4th of America is batshit paranoid.

Also, Nazi-ism isn't left. And your anti-Republican Jew metaphor falls flat on its face, and can only be offensive.

Left: Sacrifice economic freedom for social equality and welfare.
Nazis: Sacrifice civil liberties and economic freedom for a traditional order directed to the 'national spirit'.

5/22/2011 4:08:58 PM

ChakatBlackstar

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Nazi Germany a fascist state, and that fascism the extreme far right in almost every way with the exception of supporting socialism? That would make Hitler the extreme right, right?

5/22/2011 4:47:46 PM

Percy Q. Shunn


5/22/2011 5:14:03 PM

Raised by Horses

And then a few weeks from now we hear about this guy shooting down random cops because they're "comin' fer my guns'n'jawbs."

5/22/2011 5:18:19 PM

mathius_dragoon

I can't decide what you are more ignorant of- historical events or contemporary events.

5/22/2011 6:48:10 PM

Dr. Razark

I wonder if maybe they took the name "National Socialist Party" to attract people to their movement?

As for the "the commissioning of officers to work directly for the President", how exactly is Obama going to take over the country with an army of doctors, nurses, dentists, and other health professionals?

5/22/2011 7:16:16 PM

nazani14

The entire Affordable Health Care legislation is available on line, or you can read a great summary at the AARP website.

5/22/2011 7:55:28 PM



@ Dr. Razark

The Nationalist Socialists took that name as a slight against their opposing party the Socialists. Adolf Hitler made a point of claiming and perverting the symbols of those he despised.

5/22/2011 8:20:03 PM

fmitchell

I wonder what they'll say after 2012 (or 2016, if Atheismo wills it), and President Obama leaves office without taking over the US and turning it into a Marxist-fascist-Muslim-atheist hell?

Wait, they'll probably pat themselves on the back that their vigilance and obsessive blog-posting averted the Obamapocalypse. Never mind.

5/22/2011 9:09:17 PM

EuropeanLibertarian

You know, I wonder what Marx would think of this if he came back as a (smart) zombie.

5/22/2011 9:33:32 PM

derpmaster

Despite their lip service to "freedom" and "liberty", when you break it down, the Teabaggers basically just want a far-right authoritarian theocracy.

Let's also ignore the fact that, for the dyed in the wool Marxist that he is to Tea Party lunatics, Obama sure does suck at this communism thing. Hell he couldn't even get the public option through Congress.

5/22/2011 10:50:50 PM

vaiyt

Hitler was so chummy-chummmy with socialism that he set the Reichstag on fire and blamed the ACTUAL socialists.

Makes perfect sense in bizarroland.

5/23/2011 3:54:08 AM

aaa

Ah, i see Jerry thinks that the period between 2001 to 2008 never happened.

5/23/2011 3:55:14 AM



Oh, yes, that damn Hitler with his proletarian revolution, his expropriations of the landlords and the capitalists, his constant nationalisation of all services and industries, the endless class war on the middle and upper classes, the closing of all churches, the official promotion of atheism ...

... no, wait, that was somebody else, wasn't it?

5/23/2011 5:27:58 AM

Brendan Rizzo

For the last time ('cause I will only say this once) Hitler was NOT a Leftist! If you think it was because his party had the word "Socialist" in its name, then by the same token you MUST believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (a.k.a. North Korea) is a democracy. Otherwise, you look like a propagandistic asshole... but of course you ARE a propagandistic asshole. If Hitler had been honest about the Nazi party's name, then he wouldn't have gotten any followers! You really think he would've gotten very far with the "Give up all your freedoms and mercilessly kill anyone who has not actually done anything wrong but were born as non-Germans" party?! Seriously? Not even people in the 1920s and -30s were that stupid, and people in the Twenties and Thirties were very very stupid, what with the rampant racism, sexism, general inequality, lack of education, a complete nonunderstanding of economics... wait a minute here! It all makes sense now! The Tea Partiers never left the 1930s!

EDIT: Oh, and one MORE thing... proper grammar would be "The foundation has been lain." OPEN A GODDAMNED BOOK!

5/23/2011 5:56:52 AM

Flah

I lost interest in reading this after seeing the words "National Socialist Party". A name doesn't mean anything. After all, look at all of the countries that call themselves Democratic Republics which are neither democracies or nor republics.

5/23/2011 9:16:39 AM

thatotherguy

on "National Socialism"

This is left over from an early period in the NSDAP before Hitler came into the party. At the time they had "nationalist" or "right wing" elements along side "socialist" or "left wing" elements. Their philosophy was not entirely formed. The one thing holding them together was a virulent, foaming-at the-mouth anti-semitism.

When Hitler joined the NSDAP and eventually took over the party he cleansed any socialist elements out of it. Since he didn't like that the word "socialism" was stuck in the middle of his party (or for that matter the fact that DAP stood for (in German) "German Workers Party") he shortened the words "National Socialist" to Nazi. They never had any relationship with their (former) socialist elements after that.

So, yes, the Nazi party WAS at one time a partly socialist party, but Hitler did away with that.

5/23/2011 1:13:26 PM

CivicTV

No country has ever moved "incrementally" towards marxism and ended up with marxism, they don't call it revolution for nothing.
And as often happens, you are confusing marxism with any generically interventionist/authoritarian policy. As long as you have privately owned means of production, operated largely for profit, and long term accumulation of capital, marxists call that capitalism. It does not matter whether it is free market, monopolistic, corporatist or whatever.
And by the way, nazi brownshirts and fascist blackshirts have nothing to do with marxism; actually, they were tolerated by the police and sponsored by capitalists and landowners in order to break socialist and communist movements. If Obama wanted para-military private thugs, he could ask Blackwater, of Pinkerton, for they did the same union-busting job a century ago.

5/23/2011 5:01:22 PM

farpadokly

I'm so sick of this "Nazis were left wing" thing. I've refuted it so many times and I'm just sick of it. Go up to a modern neo-Nazi and tell him that he's "left wing". And how come the first people they rounded up were the communists and socialists?
And as for "Marxism" it has a meaning. It means a revolution, followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat, leading eventually to a classless society. Not a candidate freely and fairly elected within the mainstream political process, and supported by some of the wealthiest people in the world. Come on America! Read some books, stop watching fox, and fucking chill out a bit.

5/24/2011 12:32:49 PM

Mr Blur

You have absolutely no idea what Marxism actually is, do you?

5/26/2011 2:30:39 AM

Anon

And the Democrats were originally called the Democratic Republicans. Your logic is flawed.

Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is a form of government.

5/26/2011 2:10:46 PM



First, I haven't seen any brownshirts anywhere. Second, why not looking at Russia or North Korea, for that matter?. At least, BE CONSISTENT.

5/28/2011 11:31:26 AM

Often Partisan

"what they've done as they've moved toward Marxism, we're doing all of those things."

Which societies in history have "moved towards Marxism"?

For the last time. THE. NAZI. PARTY WAS. PRIMARILY. A. PETTY. BOURGEOIS. PARTY. Hitler did not institute Marxism in any way shape or form. Nazi Germany was a Capitalist country.

3/24/2012 10:58:25 AM

Colgate

This from the asshole who shouted that "Our God can beat your God" to the Iraquis. No wonder he's out of the Army and now posting on Right Wing Watch. A seriously flawed individual who should never have risen to Flag Rank in the US Armed Sevices.

3/25/2012 8:16:36 AM
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