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Regarding an atheist BHS student's protest of a prayer at this year's graduation ceremony.

At an impromptu gathering of students Thursday afternoon outside First Baptist Church in Bastrop, many of the more than 40 graduating seniors assembled expressed their disbelief about their classmate’s protest.

“I’m wondering why,” said Kari Payton, class valedictorian. “This is something that’s been done for years - forever - and now that we’re graduating we can’t show reverence and honor to our God?”

Jasmine Davis’ feelings on the issue were shared by many others.

“Why does one person get to decide what more than 200 of us do?” Davis said. “It’s obvious (the student) is in the minority, yet the rest of us are being denied to pray to our God.”

In addition to the students, a similarly sized group of adults gathered at the church.

Rita Stuckey said a fellow member of Bonne Idee Assembly of God informed her about the school’s decision to remove prayer from the program and the gathering at First Baptist. Her children have already graduated from Bastrop High.

“When I was raised here, Christ as the center of our community,” Stuckey said. “I think the children should have the right to pray and shouldn’t be prohibited from sharing their belief in Christ.”

As the group crowded the front steps of the church, they discussed a plan that will still allow prayer to be heard at graduation. During the time of “silent reflection,” adults in the bleachers in the football stadium at Bastrop High will stand, followed by the students, who will turn to face the stadium as the group recites the Lord’s Prayer.

Bastrop High School seniors, The Baystrop Enterprise 73 Comments [5/29/2011 4:41:23 AM]
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RCS

In all Fairness...The Majority shouldn't be forced to convert to what the minority wants.It should be more of a case where the Minority have an op-out option...so that they are not forced to do something against their beliefs.

5/29/2011 4:59:40 AM

SpukiKitty

YOU CAN STILL PRAY YOU MEATHEADS!!! THAT'S WHAT "MOMENT OF SILENCE" IS FOR! PRAY QUIETLY! GEEZ!!!

And one of these idiots is VALEDICTORIAN?!!! Aren't Valedictorians supposed to be SMART? If Kari Payton's the schools intellectual giant, I'd HATE to see the rest of the class!!!

I'll bet it's a town populated by giant, anthopormorphized slugs.

...but that would be an insult to slugs.

5/29/2011 5:00:03 AM

Mudak

Why? Because it's the law and you're not a religious school.

This kind of bullshit pisses me off. Of course the believers won't be hurt when there is a prayer, but it's not about what you need. Nobody -- and I mean nobody -- should ever have someone else's religion rammed down their throats. So unless you'd sit quietly for a prayer to Satan or any god in whom you don't believe, you shouldn't expect others to do it for your god.

The best solution, then, is none of the above.

5/29/2011 5:17:50 AM

Mortok

Or you could just pray quietly during your assigned quiet time instead of disrupting the ceremony like assholes.

5/29/2011 5:17:57 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


5/29/2011 5:43:31 AM

Patches

Bioware's response to the Straight Male Gamer seems appropriate here:

"And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as "political correctness" if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

5/29/2011 5:48:30 AM

Sadhuman

I would have nothing wrong with them praying quietly amongst themselves, but unless you are going to have a read aloud prayer for every religion then no you don't get to have yours and yours alone read aloud.

This group of people is willing to ruin other peoples quiet moment, for them to reflect as they will on God, themselves, their car, sex whatever they please just so they can show off their religion and find it odd that someone else is upset about this...the insanity hurts me.

5/29/2011 6:00:10 AM



Bioware said that? I didn't know a double major in game design and fucking philosophy was required to work there. That's some deep shit.

5/29/2011 6:05:55 AM

Xotan

Bastrop High School seniors are not very bright about their country's constitution, nor very patriotic to want to violate its first amendment.

5/29/2011 6:21:30 AM

Passerby

Do they have the right to pray? Yes, on their own time.

But the school as a teaching body does not have the right to endorse the church within it's curriculum as 'truth' with mandatory participation of the student body.

5/29/2011 6:25:01 AM



You can pray anywhere, any time. You could hold a ceremony at your Church for your congregation's graduates if you feel that thanking God for your academic achievement is so important. You could invite students from other faiths to say a prayer of thanks to their God. You could go with the moment of reflection and let everyone pray to whatever.

You just don't need to make a big spectacle out of thanking God, especially since you go to a public school that isn't supposed to promote any religion.

5/29/2011 6:31:15 AM

Doubting Thomas

I'm so sick of the way Christians always misconstrue these issues to "they're not letting us pray!" and "why is it that one person can tell everyone else what to do?"

You can still pray in school all you want, you just can't force others to pray. A majority does not get to dictate what the rights of the minority are.

Really, why is it so fucking important to these people to force prayer into every single aspect of public life? Didn't Jesus say to go into your closet and not let anyone see you pray? What it comes down to is that these arrogant assholes know that if they're no longer allowed to force everyone to pray to their god, they lose a little more power. That's why they're so afraid of not allowing school-led prayer.

5/29/2011 6:32:43 AM

nazani14

These clowns missed that part of civics class where they explained that democracy is not just majority rule, it's also protecting the rights of minorities.

Somebody put some sound equipment under those bleachers and blast 'em out when the praying starts. Or, put iPods and mini-speakers under your graduation robes.

5/29/2011 6:41:04 AM

arctic knight

The graduation ended up having a prayer, led by someone at the microphone.

http://www.msatheists.org/2011/05/bastrop-high-school-goes-ahead-with.html

5/29/2011 6:47:15 AM

derpmaster

Sorry but if you think that government institutions and any form of religion should go hand in hand, your problem is really with the founding fathers of your own fucking country and not one of your classmates.

“Why does one person get to decide what more than 200 of us do?” Davis said. “It’s obvious (the student) is in the minority, yet the rest of us are being denied to pray to our God.”

This quote is a towering monument of idiocy and displays the truly infantile worldview that many in this country hold. Why should one person get to decide what more than 200 of you do? Well, the fact that the United States Constitution backs up his point of view is a good start. Things like the separation of church and state are there to keep mob rule-that thing that forms the basis of your shitty argument-from taking hold.

By the way, the right to pray in school on an individual basis has always been upheld. Nobody is messing with your right to pray, and nobody ever will, including atheists like me, because I understand that individual liberty loses its value if the rights of others are infringed upon.

Honestly, I think being given a moment of silence to flaunt your piety in public (an abhorrent act according to the Bible) cuts it more than close enough to the actual law. For crybaby Christians well used to their cultural hegemony though, this is clearly not enough. In the end, they got to shout their praise for their sky man to the heavens at a school event after all, so it all turned out okay I guess.

5/29/2011 7:12:30 AM



So, if you can't impose your views on others, aren't you happy?. And remember, Baptists are TOO a minority in the United States. Don't play with numbers. They're dangerous.

5/29/2011 7:22:36 AM

Raised by Horses

“I’m wondering why,” said Kari Payton, class valedictorian. “This is something that’s been done for years.."

So is greenhouse gas pollution and country music. That doesn't make them good ideas.

“Why does one person get to decide what more than 200 of us do?” Davis said. “It’s obvious (the student) is in the minority, yet the rest of us are being denied to pray to our God.”

Because sanity is not statistical? Turn that around in your head a few times as you graduate from a facility intended to inculcate critical thinking.

“When I was raised here, Christ as the center of our community,” Stuckey said. “I think the children should have the right to pray and shouldn’t be prohibited from sharing their belief in Christ.”

That's cute. No-one's taking anything away from them. The students and you can still pray all you want. What is being protested is having prayer forced upon even those who do not want to take part. Again, why is this so difficult to comprehend?

As the group crowded the front steps of the church, they discussed a plan that will still allow prayer to be heard at graduation. During the time of “silent reflection,” adults in the bleachers in the football stadium at Bastrop High will stand, followed by the students, who will turn to face the stadium as the group recites the Lord’s Prayer.

Never mind. The tyrrany of the majority wins out once more. Nothing to see here.


@Mudak
Prayer to Satan? Might be a good idea to spring something like that on the class one day. It'd give these people some notion of what non-Christians have to put up with on a daily basis in the US.

5/29/2011 7:28:53 AM

Deep Search

Well, gosh, why should a non-religious person not want to take part in any religious events for their non-religious graduation, I wonder? It's a mystery. And, really, you have to be asses and recite the prayer out loud instead of praying to your stupid selves? That's just gross grandstanding. Not everything has to be about *you guys.* Talk about the tyranny of the majority...

Also they should have picked a smarter valedictorian for serious.

5/29/2011 7:52:53 AM

Mrs. Antichrist

No one is stopping them from praying on their own -- it's school-led prayer that's the problem.

5/29/2011 8:15:21 AM

Liberal Christian

Or you people could just pray silently like you're supposed to instead of rudely disrupting the ceremony.

Matthew 6:5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

5/29/2011 8:22:09 AM

Headache

Summary:
A bunch of mythologists are getting their panties in a bunch because they can't talk to the ceiling!

5/29/2011 8:39:42 AM

Murdin

Those people do not want to pray. They do not even want to pray publicly. They just want to be heard praying. Disgusting.

5/29/2011 8:57:19 AM

Dr. Razark

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 6:5-6

5/29/2011 9:20:28 AM

WWWWolf

Fascinating. Because here, in Finland, the constitutional definition of religious freedom also includes a provision that says no one is to be forced to take part in religious ceremonies they don't want to take part in. Sure, there are religious classes in schools - for members of the religions. The students go to church services around major church holidays - if they're members of the religion. Now, there may have been religious stuff in the end-of-term events / graduations, but last I heard, the schools are getting rid of that stuff. Why? There's probably a church service before the event. If some atheist kid blows a fuse over prayers in graduations, the school administration can just say "fine, let's keep the prayers in the church, and offend no one in the graduation ceremony". Otherwise, they'd have to let the kids in question walk out, as is their constitutional right. Hella awkward.

All I'm saying, for a country that is supposedly priding itself with freedom of religion and keeping church and state separate, you're doing lousy job there. Fix that stuff. Please.

5/29/2011 9:25:43 AM

Apocraphy

Yes and our Indian friends should be allowed to praise Shiva,Muslims Allah etc,so Fuck off!!!

5/29/2011 10:00:42 AM
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