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Regarding an atheist BHS student's protest of a prayer at this year's graduation ceremony.

At an impromptu gathering of students Thursday afternoon outside First Baptist Church in Bastrop, many of the more than 40 graduating seniors assembled expressed their disbelief about their classmate’s protest.

“I’m wondering why,” said Kari Payton, class valedictorian. “This is something that’s been done for years - forever - and now that we’re graduating we can’t show reverence and honor to our God?”

Jasmine Davis’ feelings on the issue were shared by many others.

“Why does one person get to decide what more than 200 of us do?” Davis said. “It’s obvious (the student) is in the minority, yet the rest of us are being denied to pray to our God.”

In addition to the students, a similarly sized group of adults gathered at the church.

Rita Stuckey said a fellow member of Bonne Idee Assembly of God informed her about the school’s decision to remove prayer from the program and the gathering at First Baptist. Her children have already graduated from Bastrop High.

“When I was raised here, Christ as the center of our community,” Stuckey said. “I think the children should have the right to pray and shouldn’t be prohibited from sharing their belief in Christ.”

As the group crowded the front steps of the church, they discussed a plan that will still allow prayer to be heard at graduation. During the time of “silent reflection,” adults in the bleachers in the football stadium at Bastrop High will stand, followed by the students, who will turn to face the stadium as the group recites the Lord’s Prayer.

Bastrop High School seniors, The Baystrop Enterprise 73 Comments [5/29/2011 4:41:23 AM]
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Zeus Almighty

If I had been the kid I would have sat silently, then when I received my diploma I would have screamed "Praise Satan!" at the top oh my lungs and made the heavy metal devil sign.



5/30/2011 9:51:06 AM

kuribo

so what you're saying is that the majority is always right? Pretty sure the ghosts of slaves would disagree. And Holocaust survivors.

5/30/2011 10:21:48 AM



"Besides as the ceremony is being held OFF of school grounds, there is no violation of church and state."

Schools own football stadium = On school grounds. The truth is a cunt, isn't it?

"Just because it was organized by the school doesnt constitute endorsement of religion"

Legally, and constitutionally, the fact it was organized by the school makes it an endorsement of religion... and the fact that it is a public school funded by the State, makes it a State Endorsement of a specific religion. First Amendment violation.

Oh, and forcing the pupils to pray isn't the problem... it is the ACTUAL ENDORSEMENT OF A SPECIFIC RELIGION that is the problem. (and that's 2 lies I've caught you on now)

"Whwre exactly does it say every one is FORCED to pray?"

That's not what this is about... it is about the actions taken by the school to carry out an illegal activity. (you know... that endorsement of a specific religion thing...) This is just you making shit up. (also known as lying)

3 lies now you've come out with.

"By everyones logic here, you no one would be allowed to pray anywhere in public because an atheist might be within earshot, and be offended."

I'm sorry... do you mean by the logic that this school SHOULDN'T BREAK THE LAW? Or do you mean by the false logic you are attributing to us?

It's a lie either way.

That's 4 now.

"These kind of action by this type of in your face, atheists who cant stand being in the presence of anything religious and thus decide no one else should be allowed to"

But they are not... they are asking places not to break the law.

That's 5 now...

"is why i dont have a very good perception of atheists."

Given you had to lie 5 times in that screed, and those lies are why you don't have a very good perception of Atheists, you should ask yourself why you are falling for your own lies...

5/30/2011 10:35:28 AM

NonProphet

Reading through the comments, even people claiming to be conservative Christians were facepalming at the article - citing the Establishment Clause and all.

Maybe there's hope for them yet.

5/30/2011 11:04:08 AM

Blarghonius

What fundies really hate is the First Amendment.

5/30/2011 11:44:01 AM

solomongrundy

...though they love the second...

5/30/2011 12:12:38 PM



Pray right before the ceremony. Pray during it. Fuck yourself with a Jesus dildo if you want, you can't have someone leading an official school prayer.

5/30/2011 12:34:09 PM

checkmate

Ok, if there's going to be open, official, ceremonial prayer, then let's do things right.

Get a Jewish rabbi to sing some psalms in Hebrew, a few Buddhist monks to lead everybody in a meditation chant (Ohhhmmm), a Muslim Imam to recite some suras from the Quran and lead the students and parents in a little "Allahu 'akbar" ... and see how long the Chrissies stand for that.

My guess: 0.000005 seconds.

5/30/2011 1:21:44 PM

Reckoner

Christian version of a circlejerk.

5/30/2011 5:56:47 PM

GigaGuess

“Why does one person get to decide what more than 200 of us do?” Davis said. “It’s obvious (the student) is in the minority, yet the rest of us are being denied to pray to our God.”

Okay, Davis, there's 10 people in the room. We're gonna vote for who gets eaten, and you're covered in barbeque sauce.

"We're the majority" still seems like a fair determining factor?

5/30/2011 7:05:54 PM

Professor M

@ checkmate --

As a Discordion Episkopos (and Pope), I'd volunteer to give my own spiel! (Hm...would it help if I'm also a practicing Pastafarian? I could give two "blessings" at once!)

5/30/2011 8:15:11 PM

GigaGuess

@Professor M

Truthfully, the Discordians should lead off. A few minutes of random should throw them off their game for a bit.

5/30/2011 9:40:12 PM

dionysus

Baptist eh? I wonder how you'd like it if Catholics became the majority in your school (which is possible) and started demanding that everyone pray to Mary including all of the Protestants thinks that's blasphemy. After all, you just said that the majority has absolute authority and the minority simply has to suck it up.

5/30/2011 10:01:35 PM

Xotan

Sorry Dionysos, Catholics specicically don't pray to Mary in the sense you seem to mean. They pray THROUGH Mary to Jesus.

There are techinical terms for this. Worship of god is Latria - latreia in Greek (cf, idoLATRY).

Catholics' veneration of Mary is an altogether different thing that some people genuinely do not understand, and other genuinely love to misunderstand. Anyway, it's called DOULIA - sometimes Hyperdoulia.

Techinicalities aside, and in brief: Catholics Worship the Triune god and pray through Mary and saints as channels to Jesus, although they also pray directly to Jesus as well. I suppose it's keeping all channels open. (Yawn)

5/31/2011 3:47:57 AM

Mister Spak

"This is something that’s been done for years - forever "

Slavery had been done forever so why whould someone want to stop it?

“I think the children should have the right to pray and shouldn’t be prohibited from sharing their belief in Christ.”

Do they also have the right to pray and share their belief in Allah? Is a little 7 watt light bulb starting to glow dimly over your head?

5/31/2011 5:08:01 AM

Anon-e-moose

@GigaGuess

"@Professor M

Truthfully, the Discordians should lead off. A few minutes of random should throw them off their game for a bit."

How about people dressed as pirates pass around Pot Noodles, kettles of hot water, and forks? Then those who partake of such shall be Touched by His Noodly Appendage. Then when they've finished, they give a hearty 'RAmen!'.

...those who don't, well, they shall have to endure the stale beer and strippers with gonorrhoea, crabs and the clap.

Me, I love a Pot Noodle. Especially Beef & Tomato...! :9

5/31/2011 6:45:17 AM

Pup

The US Constitution actually prohibits this kind of tyranny of the majority, and that's not even taking into the account the religious factor which is prohibited under the establishment clause...

5/31/2011 8:11:39 AM



I just went to a friend's graduation a couple weeks ago, and not only was there a prayer, there were THREE prayers, plus some random guy giving a long, drawn out speech that included him telling the graduating seniors over and over again how they should always remember to go to church after they left home.

Oh, and this wasn't even a Christian school.

I don't think there should be forced prayers at any school function, but especially not graduation, which is for ALL the students, not just the Christians.

5/31/2011 11:39:49 AM

Godbuster

This is one reason I really hate religion. Because EVERYBODY believes it, your insane (and yes, they are insane) ideas about god and whatnot are all of a sudden validated. It's the institutionalization of a bullshit idea that legitimizes insanity like this.

But they fail to see that reality is not democratic. Despite how hard you believe it isn't the case, the earth is round and will revolve around the sun.

5/31/2011 6:17:03 PM



Where does it say they are forcing this student to pray?

@ derpmaster
How much more "Taxpayer money" would it cost to have a prayer over a moment of silence?

That argument makes no sense.

But anything this student's "plan" has backfired as all it's done is unite the entire town... against him... And now EVERYONE is going to pray in this "moment of silence". So by trying to keep the school from "Endorsing religion"... He made the entire student body endorse a religion...

I wonder if he's doing it so after it's over he can go "Help help I'm being repressed I'm suing everyone!"

If we want to use the argument of "endorsing religion" then the fact that some religions favor gay marriage and some religions don't it would be ENDORSING RELIGION by allowing gay marriage because it'd favor one religion over another.
Do we really want to go down that path?

@checkmate
I WISH I had that at my graduation. Would have been epic.

6/3/2011 11:54:06 AM

derpmaster

@ derpmaster
How much more "Taxpayer money" would it cost to have a prayer over a moment of silence?


Goodness gracious did you ever miss the point. Why should taxpayers have to foot the bill for a Christian prayer, even if it cost $.01? Student or faculty-led prayer at school functions is considered an endorsement of religion and is unconstitutional per Santa Fe Independent School Dist. vs. Doe. Case closed, game over. The kid was right.

That argument makes no sense.

Hrmm well it's hard to disagree with a masterfully executed argument like that.

But anything this student's "plan" has backfired as all it's done is unite the entire town... against him... And now EVERYONE is going to pray in this "moment of silence". So by trying to keep the school from "Endorsing religion"... He made the entire student body endorse a religion...

What bearing does this have on the Constitutional validity of his argument? Oh that's right: absolutely nothing. You cook up a mean red herring dude.

I wonder if he's doing it so after it's over he can go "Help help I'm being repressed I'm suing everyone!"

See above.

If we want to use the argument of "endorsing religion" then the fact that some religions favor gay marriage and some religions don't it would be ENDORSING RELIGION by allowing gay marriage because it'd favor one religion over another.
Do we really want to go down that path?


Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. However, this is a particularly weak argument because the arguments for gay marriage are almost never "religious" in nature but rather Constitutional, particularly drawing from the 14th Amendment. Hey some religions also attach a religious significance to not consuming pork, so does eating a barbecue sandwich automatically count as a religious statement? Most individuals who partake would probably disagree with that notion. Does the act of supporting gay marriage rights on a secular basis automatically align one with any/all religious groups who happen to share the same stance? It's the same idea: no, not necessarily.

Marriage is also strictly a legal/tax status in the eyes of the government-religious institutions attach other forms of meaning to it which are purely ceremonial in legal terms.

7/3/2011 12:56:42 PM

Eniliad

I can't believe I'm saying this, but... the fundies have a point this time. The one atheist guy is kind of being a dick in this case.

That said, the turning of one kid being a douche into a persecution of all Christianity is as predictable as it is a complete overreaction.

1/18/2012 9:37:06 PM

Canadiest

There proposed "event"?
I've seen horror movies and documentaries about racists like the KKK start like this scenario.

If I rolled into a town doing this, I'd get out fast.

" When I hit the road I was really wheelin'
Had gravel flyin' and rubber squeelin'
And I didn't slow down till I was almost to Arkansas"
Charlie Daniels "Uneasy Rider"
He got a flat in Fundieland and survived!


1/21/2012 11:30:16 AM
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