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It has been scientific proven that the molecular structure of water changes when it is prayed over. It’s structure becomes more organized and symmetric. Even if you don’t believe in the use of Holy Water the fact that the body is mostly water proves that prayer does have a positive effect on the body as well.


Marandia, Revelation Now 97 Comments [5/25/2011 3:15:27 AM]
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#1292766
Old Viking

I prayed over water. Took a sip. Still water.

5/25/2011 12:56:02 PM
#1292774
rikalous

#1292577: Oh, that's so very bullshit. Any real scientists who'd seen that experiment turn out like that would be geeking out and planning some more experiments so they could understand what was going on.

5/25/2011 1:26:46 PM
#1292775
Moondog

No, the water molecule is always one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms at either end, making a 120 degree angle. That's why ice (snowflakes, frost on windows) is hexagonal. Each angle is 120 degrees, like the water molecules that make it. No praying is about to change that. Chemistry FAIL.

5/25/2011 1:33:36 PM
#1292777
Sandvich

What the Bleep Do We Know Anyways isn't a scientific documentary, Marandia. And Masaru Emoto has never been able to replicate his findings.

5/25/2011 1:35:17 PM
#1292787
Large Hardon Collider

Refrigerators are NOT powered by prayers.

5/25/2011 2:14:05 PM
#1292788
TheJebusFire


5/25/2011 2:14:26 PM
#1292789
NoriMori

"It’s structure becomes more organized and symmetric."

Honey, that's called "freezing". Your "scientists" forgot to control for temperature fluctuations.

And even if your claim were true, what makes you think that the molecular change would have a positive effect on the body? Generally, your insides freezing is NOT a good thing.

Oh dear Lord, this woman claims she worked for the federal government and heard this in a lecture years ago. Oh, and wait it gets better:

"I remember the guy talking about how the results of the study were significant because they were measurable and repeatable. But they never could figure out what was causing the changes or how from an observable stand point. They likened it to a 17th century mans understanding of a pregnancy. It’s repeatable and measurable but he didn’t know the hows or whys and they couldn’t duplicate it. They said that at this point science is as far away from duplicating the results of the study as the 17th century man was from duplicating the results of a pregnancy."

That part should have been posted here too. So it's repeatable but they haven't been able to repeat it? Interesting. If this woman really ever worked for the federal government then I fear for humanity. What an idiot.

5/25/2011 2:20:06 PM
#1292800
Fundies Make Me Sick

Prayer may change things, but the atomic structure of substances is not one of those things.

Someone forgot to take their sanity pills this morning.

5/25/2011 3:09:14 PM
#1292810
werewolf

Two words: bull and shit.

5/25/2011 3:43:10 PM
#1292815
Elia

..........Yeah, I got nothing. Too stupid for words.

5/25/2011 4:31:12 PM
#1292830
mathius_dragoon

Pro-tip: Stating that something is proven is not the same as showing proof.

5/25/2011 4:58:47 PM
#1292834
Berny

I do so love when these retards say stuff that is so easily shown to be bullshit.
Could you produce the peer reviewed studies showing this effect? You do have peer reviewed studies, right?
(Yeah, if the "peers" are also eedjits)

5/25/2011 5:03:03 PM
#1292838
JDC1

It has been scientific proven
that one plus one is one,
as long as they are both the same one.

5/25/2011 5:07:00 PM
#1292841
JDC1

Offended by puppies?
That is just WAY too stupid!

5/25/2011 5:11:16 PM
#1292842
whatever

Er... well, there are two Hydrogen atoms assigned to each oxygen atom, and the electrons are shared in a way that makes the water molecule part ionic and part covalent. There's not really much scope for variation. Unless the Hydrogen parts turn to Deuterium or Tritium, in which case you've got problems (namely radioactivity) and it's probably best not to drink it.

5/25/2011 5:14:24 PM
#1292844
Brendan Rizzo

@ Karana:

Thank you.

@ Skyknight:

When did I imply that the first people were rational empiricists? If anything, I believe the opposite of that; people were always stupid but used to be even stupider than they are now; right now the stupid know that they are going to be left by the wayside which is why they are fighting progress tooth and nail. I don't think that spirituality is a bad thing at all, actually.

5/25/2011 5:16:00 PM
#1292845
Godbuster

Oh yeah, I remember this. He's basing this I believe on this japanese dude's research, which noone has been able to reproduce.

I remember in college one guy trying to hold a presentation on the subject and I destroyed his arguments before he even got started. Felt kind of bad about that.

With this poster however there is no remorse.

5/25/2011 5:16:03 PM
#1292850
mathius_dragoon

@brenden

The internet tends to exaggerate the presence of certain groups of people on the earth, so take everything with a grain of salt. For example, if you judged humanity merely by the internet you would think that every tom, dick and harry is part of some hate group. You know that's not true, its just that the internet raises the profile of people who couldn't get an audience face to face.

5/25/2011 5:25:10 PM
#1292853
Angry Vince

I had some bad takeout last night and prayed over some water in the toilet.
I can say that it's structure definitely became less organised...

5/25/2011 5:31:50 PM
#1292854
Brianisha

Medicine works better than prayer. The human body is more complex than a water molecule.

5/25/2011 5:34:24 PM
#1292890
Tempus

Get a load of the thread title: 117 Russians in hospital after drinking holy water.

Apparently, prayer turns water to Paraquat. Interesting!

Also, pay attention to this next bit:

I really wish I could remember who did the study. I worked for the federal government. That meant long boring 12 to 15 hour days, most of it driving. So I’d listen to lectures to keep my mind busy. I’ve listened to thousands of lectures over the years and I just can’t recall who did that particular one. You might be able to find the study if you search the net for it. I remember the guy talking about how the results of the study were significant because they were measurable and repeatable. But they never could figure out what was causing the changes or how from an observable stand point. They likened it to a 17th century mans understanding of a pregnancy. It’s repeatable and measurable but he didn’t know the hows or whys and they couldn’t duplicate it. They said that at this point science is as far away from duplicating the results of the study as the 17th century man was from duplicating the results of a pregnancy.

I just thought it was refreshing to hear a group of scientist admit that they were not almightily. They didn’t dare come out and say it but they implied that the study had showed them something they could not understand. They were going to have to live with the knowledge that they had observed something unexplainable and uncontrollable. That’s what I enjoyed about the lecture most.

Is she sure it was a study? Is she absolutely, positively sure it was a study, and not something made up on the spot?

Edit: #1292577 beat me to it. Ah well.

5/25/2011 7:54:20 PM
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Percy Q. Shunn


5/25/2011 8:05:38 PM
#1292903
Brendan Rizzo

You know what? I've gone out of line, on this quote's comments and especially on Tim Lahaye's quote's comments. Just know that I am never entirely serious on the Internet, but still usually mean what I say. (Contradiction in terms, ain't it?) Even so, I would like to apologize. The fundies have really put me over the edge today; I think that today's quotes had a combined stupidity level that I just couldn't handle. I am sorry for making rude and insulting comments. I am sorry for drenching all of Europe in hate and vitriol. I am sorry for succumbing to the Green-Eyed Monster. I am sorry for incorrectly describing myself as a misanthrope. I am sorry for being a total douchebag. We should all know our limits, shouldn't we? I think I overstepped mine, leading to disastrous consequences. Just disregard some things I have said today and almost immediately regretted. I am truly sorry.

5/25/2011 8:29:27 PM
#1292906
Troll Dad




5/25/2011 8:53:51 PM
#1292917
Troll Dad




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