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[ You’ve gone on record stating that President Barack Obama’s policy initiatives are bringing us closer to the apocalypse.]

I don’t think I’ve said that. But the fact is, he’s a committed socialist. He was educated by a socialist, he thinks like a socialist, and he surrounds himself with socialist, ultra, ultra-liberal thinkers. The problem with socialism is, not only do they not believe in God or accountability to him…

[ …You don’t think President Obama believes in God?]

I’m talking about socialism. He is a committed socialist. They’re wrong in believing in the perfectibility of man—that man is very good. That’s one of the cardinal mistakes that socialists make. The Bible says that man’s heart is desperately wicked, and he needs salvation. He needs a new heart put in him by spiritual force in calling for the name of the Lord. One thing you have to distinguish is those who claim they’re Christians, but who’ve never had an experience with Jesus. They’re usually people that hardly ever go to church, hardly ever read the Bible, but rather than be atheists or nothing, they say they’re a Christian. Well, that doesn’t make you a Christian.

[ Isn’t Barack Obama a Christian?]

I challenge you: Name one Christian who he’s appointed to public office.

[ Hillary Clinton.]

You’ve got to be kidding me. She’s a socialist. She is ultra, ultra liberal. And besides, have you ever heard of as many communists or socialists that have been appointed as tsars in our country? There are 134 of them and they’ve been appointed by this man who you claim is a Christian.

Tim Lahaye, The Daily Beast 98 Comments [5/25/2011 3:17:14 AM]
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"And besides, have you ever heard of as many communists or socialists that have been appointed as tsars"

Yeah. I guess that's why the Communists saved the lives of the Romanovs in 1917, appointing them as political advisors to Lenin, in setting up the Soviet Union - including no less than Tsar Nicholas II himself, amirite?

Oh, no more please, Mr. Wilde, I am bereft of ribs! You must be the life & soul of any party with your erudition, intellect, wit and learning, oh great Emeritus Professor of History, Tim Lahaye. [/mega-sarcasm]

5/28/2011 1:04:16 PM

Wait a minute, this is Tim "Left Behind" Lahaye. It would be amazing if such a delusional bigot found anything to admire in Obama. Next thing you know they'll be reducing his meds. Don't you recognise it, America? Hasn't the Harold Camping episode made it plain? Rapture-fixated Christians are not actually sane. You need to neutralize their influence as best you can, but there is no point in arguing with them. I work with diagnosed psychotics on a professional basis and there is on one level nothing to distinguish their cognitive disorders from those of Lahaye and the Rapture Ready Brigade.

5/28/2011 3:19:12 PM


He's an occultist too.

5/28/2011 8:24:50 PM



The irony of you as a devout fundamentalist believing you have a personal invisible man watching over you at all times, saying that, is clearly lost on you.

5/29/2011 1:03:00 AM



"He's an occultist too."

Oh, indeed. Making daily human sacrifices to Huitzilopochtli, amirite dearie?:

...oh, and for good measure:

Indeed TWoozl, the irony isn't lost on Troll4Life. Abraham & Isaac ring any bells, dearie?

...oh, but if there is one human death you can put on Obama's obviously blood-soaked hands (Dumbya = Iraq; oh, the irony), it's this:

Osama bin Lardarse.

And yet, this occult-riddled, Satan-worshipping, vile, preverted, soulless, impure, heathen, hateful Atheist has yet to pop his person-killing tally cherry. I wonder why...?

...oh yes, that's right. As an Atheist - and Humanist, who hasn't killed one single person in my life, nor do I want to ever - thus is proven that I have greater morals. Ergo, my more than infinite superiority to God. QED.

Your call, Troll4Life.

5/29/2011 1:12:26 PM


Anon-e-moose, don't take this the wrong way, but could you at least try to be a little less condescending, and cut back on the image-filled bloviation a bit? It's not impressing anyone. If anything, it's quite puerile.

5/29/2011 2:58:05 PM


Occultism is not a synonym for human sacrifice, although it can involve it. I was thinking specifically of the monkey-god idol he carries in his pocket and his apparent ties to African-American Freemasonry.

5/29/2011 4:24:17 PM


And why do you have to include cartoon pictures in every post you make? It's childish and pointless.

5/29/2011 4:25:10 PM



Given your extremely poor dance card with logic, I feel the need to put another black mark on it:


A belief that certain secret, mysterious, or supernatural agencies exist and that human beings may communicate with them or have their assistance. — occultist, n., adj.
See also: Religion"

That's a straight dictionary definition. Do be careful of who you try to stain with the term 'occultist' while holding beliefs in the unfounded, unproven, and immaterial supernatural concepts. The sole difference between an African occult belief and your Middle Eastern occult belief is membership.

5/29/2011 5:42:33 PM


(Woo, double posts.)

5/29/2011 5:57:42 PM

Bender Bending Rodriguez

Fuck Hillary Clinton, too. If she really were a socialist, she would not have supported the coup d'etat in Honduras in 2009 (you know, the same one that an avowed socialist named Hugo Chavez openly denounced).

Also, allow me to add my (oh-so-glorious) name to the list of people dumbfounded by the "communists appointed as tsars" comment. Then again, this is the same guy who came up with the "Left Behind" shit.

5/29/2011 8:42:38 PM


Proudly marching the army of no true Scotsmen back into the circular non-sequitur HITLER GODWIN... oh, wait. Shit, I think reading FSTDT for about half an hour today has finally short-circuited my brain.

5/30/2011 2:17:32 AM



Point taken, good sir. It's just that Troll4Life gets on my tits with the bullshit she comes out with, sometimes.


And why do you have to come out with the bullshit you do? As proven by your past track record. It's childish and pointless.

So no hypocrisy on your part, nosiree.

5/30/2011 6:59:38 AM


You idiot, socialism is an economic model and says nothing about religion.

5/30/2011 4:04:36 PM

Often Partisan

"I don't think anyone needs to thank us for the Marshall Plan -- we got rich off of it, since it was designed to expand markets for U.S. goods. "
And also to prevent the destroyed Western European states turning to Moscow...(initial Communist gains in France and Italy for example)

Back to the quote, I wish these people would actually learn what socialism IS before they starting calling people who are at most centrist socialists...

5/31/2011 11:23:19 AM


It's always amusing to hear what american conservatives call socialism. I'm sorry, if people don't want public/worker ownership of businesses, they are not socialists. Also, the perfectibility of Man is an 18th century Enlightenment thing, and one the founders of the United States were quite fond of.
Oh, and check the dictionary, liberalism , as an ideology, is quite different from socialism.

5/31/2011 7:32:12 PM

Professor M

As an American Socialist, I can only dream of the day when we have as much influence as the right-wingers keep insisting we already have.

5/31/2011 9:44:53 PM


6/1/2011 11:13:23 AM

@Mister Person More like:
The religious leader that thinks the most like them.
The Bible
And somewhere at the bottom is Jesus.

7/8/2011 3:24:44 PM

TB Tabby

Tim, if you think Obama is bringing about the apocalypse, why aren't you supporting him? I thought you guys couldn't wait for the end of the world! I thought you WANTED this sinful earth to be destroyed so you could go to Heaven and have fun watching those evil socialists burn forever! Is this, perhaps, a sign that you are not so fervent a believer as you claim to be?

7/8/2011 4:50:15 PM

Often Partisan

You do realise that (economically) socialism and ultra liberalism are complete opposites, right?

7/12/2012 3:09:33 AM

Often Partisan

@ Brendan

"All right, who came up with this bullshit that liberalism is right-wing?"

Liberalism is economically on the political right.

Essentially on a specturm goes from Left "Complete control over the economy" ie Communism, etc all the way to Right "Complete lack of control over the economy" ie. a completely free market (impossible in reality but whatever)

The thing is is Americans tend to misuse the word "liberal" to MEAN left-wing (or whatever passes for left-wing over there). Classical liberalism is bourgeois ideology, based around the free market. Essentially without going into massive detail what Americans call Libertarianism is what every other country calls Classical Liberalism: Little government intervention in the economy, little government intervention in personal affairs. The differences between liberlaism and conservatism are that liberalism is an individualist ideology, whereas conservatism has more focus on ideas of the nation, religion (sometimes, in some countries religion is irrelvant to conservatism eg Britain), a belief in societal cohesion, a focus on law and order and they also tend to be more sceptical of human nature than EITHER Liberalism OR Socialism.

7/12/2012 3:41:22 AM

Often Partisan

Part II:

The definition of socialism is "the workers own the means of production". The difference between Socialism and Marxism is that Marxism is a more specific form of Socialism. Being a Marxist involves a commitment to Historical Materialism, and Marx's Critique of Political Economy as well as socialism. Whereas one could be a socialist and, say, not believe that that class struggle drives history, or reject the labour theory of value or other concepts used by Marx are valid. That would be perfectly consistent.

A Capitalist economy with a strong welfare state and some government intervention in the economy/Keynesianism/corporatism*, such as Consensus Era Britain is Social Democracy (in the modern sense of the term social democracy rather than the late C19th/early C20th sense of the term).

*not what it sounds like. It means tripartite discussions between capital, labour and the government in a sort of semi-economic planning scenario. Not "rule by corporations" since I have seen it misused as that.

7/12/2012 3:42:00 AM

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