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ARGUMENT PART 1 ( the atheistic view shown as a syllogism )
1) If God does not exist, then there is no logical reason for relying on logic. (Modus Tollens)
2) There is a logical reason for relying on logic. (Modus Tollens)
C Therefore it is not the case that God does not exist or (God exists ( by negation.) Q.E.D.
This brings an atheist to the question - What is the logical reason for relying on logic ? And that brings them to see that they believe in what they have not proved (only faith).
They argue against God, because they want sufficient logical evidence, but they do so with the very tool they cannot or will not give sufficient logical evidence for. (Hypocrisy?)

(So, they ACCUSE Theists of doing that which they do, shame...shame...shame. How inconsistent?)

Jesus.Christ, iamjc.freeforums.org 117 Comments [5/26/2011 3:56:25 AM]
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Jesus

Perak: In #1295069, you quite possibly make less sense than you ever have.

Responses to some objections from that did not make sense..

Perak: Now, once again...

See Quote# 81498
1)Read the question.
What is the logical reason for relying on logic ?
2) Think (important part)
3) Give your answer.
4) Forsake atheism

6/3/2011 9:07:59 AM

Jesus.Christ

Perak: In #1295069, you quite possibly make less sense than you ever have.

Responses to some objections from that did not make sense..

Perak: Now, once again...

See Quote# 81498
1)Read the question.
What is the logical reason for relying on logic ?
2) Think (important part)
3) Give your answer.
4) Forsake atheism

6/3/2011 9:08:35 AM

Jesus

Perak: In #1295069, you quite possibly make less sense than you ever have.

Responses to some objections from that did not make sense..

Perak: Now, once again...

See Quote# 81498
1)Read the question.
What is the logical reason for relying on logic ?
2) Think (important part)
3) Give your answer.
4) Forsake atheism

6/3/2011 9:09:53 AM



@Jesus.Christ

See Quote# 81498
1)Read the question.
What is the logical reason for relying on logic ?

perak: For its purpose, logic fucking works, you fucking moron.

2) Think (important part)

perak: I have never seen evidence that you can.

3) Give your answer.

perak: You are a fucking moron.

4) Forsake atheism

perak: Why? Because you are an ignorant moron?

6/3/2011 2:21:19 PM

Jesus.Christ

Perak:logic#$&*&^%works

JC: Thanks for YOUR that emotional honest answer.

Saying, "logic works" is begging the question?

What logical reason why you have to prove logic works? Or in other words. why trust the working of logic?
And to help by way of analogy to show how your answer is circular:
Ex. How do I know a car should get me to a destination? Because a car works (gets me to the destination).

If you are still having trouble reasoning it through; you said, "logic works"
Can you prove it worked a million years ago, or that it will work tomorrow or a million years from now and that it works everywhere?

NO? You would have to be God to know that!!!
What assurance do you have, except belief?


1) Your view is false shown in how you try to defend your use of logic with such a circular illogical manner.

Its time to give your heart to God and leave the irrational atheistic view.




6/3/2011 9:57:47 PM

Jesus.Christ

Perak:logic#$&*&^%works

JC: Thanks for YOUR that emotional honest answer.

Saying, "logic works" is begging the question?

What logical reason why you have to prove logic works? Or in other words. why trust the working of logic?
And to help by way of analogy to show how your answer is circular:
Ex. How do I know a car should get me to a destination? Because a car works (gets me to the destination).

If you are still having trouble reasoning it through; you said, "logic works"
Can you prove it worked a million years ago, or that it will work tomorrow or a million years from now and that it works everywhere?

NO? You would have to be God to know that!!!
What assurance do you have, except belief?


1) Your view is false shown in how you try to defend your use of logic with such a circular illogical manner.

Its time to give your heart to God and leave the irrational atheistic view.




6/3/2011 10:46:44 PM

perak1939

@ the Jesus.Christ troll

Jesus.Christ: "Its time to give your heart to God and leave the irrational atheistic view."

perak: Prove your god exists.

Do it without resorting to your customary fucked up parody of logic-- fallacies and all-- and dishonesty. Please don't include links to posts in the About forum (http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-atheism&tid=41764) where you exposed yourself for years as an ignorant fool without ever once offering a credible argument for the existence of your god. While you may sincerely believe you have offered proof of the existence of your god, the truth remains that you never have done so (and probably can't).

Please, please make an attempt to cast whatever sort of proof you might offer in coherent, grammatically correct English.

Do it for God's sake.

6/4/2011 1:58:07 AM

perak1939

@ the Jesus.Christ troll

Jesus.Christ: "Thanks for YOUR that emotional honest answer."

In case you haven't noticed, idiot, this is NOT a debate forum. FSTDT is for bashing idiots such as yourself.

If you want to engage in debate over your idiotic atheist-bashing, please take it here: http://fstdt.proboards.com/

There are plenty of other atheist forums on the 'Net. Perhaps you might want to drop in on some of those.

http://www.amazon.com/forum/atheist/ref=cm_cd__ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3VDTKO61HE6U7&cdThread=TxAOWHFVEL2311&displayType=tagsDetail

http://richarddawkins.net/archive/discussions/latest

http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php

http://www.atheistforums.com/

http://debate.atheist.net/


6/4/2011 2:24:41 AM

perak1939

@ the Jesus.Christ troll

Jesus.Christ: "What logical reason why you have to prove logic works? Or in other words. why trust the working of logic?"

What godly reason do you have for trusting in your god? If you cannot judge your god as a god, how can you be sure it IS a god?

6/4/2011 2:27:46 AM

perak1939

@ the Jesus.Christ troll

Have you told everyone that you were invited to leave at least one Christian forum not only once (http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-christianity&tid=24558) but twice (http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-christianity&tid=24559)?

An atheist forum tolerated you for over two years-- until it became obvious you were breaking the rules by using sock-puppets (Why is it that fervent Christianity and dishonesty so often go hand in hand?)-- while a Christian forum tossed you two times in two posts. What's up with that?

Before you object that you were treated with prejudice because of your views, answer this: What would become of a poster who broke one of the numerous restrictive rules of your forum?

6/4/2011 3:52:54 AM

perak1939

@ the Jesus.Christ troll

Have you informed everyone that you believe logic to be axiomatic? (http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?sr=y&msg=41764.11019&nav=messages&webtag=ab-atheism) Thereby undermining your idiotic atheist-baiting 'argument'....

6/4/2011 6:05:59 AM



perak: Prove your god exists.
(Show you have some way to know what proof is)

What would become of a poster who broke one of the numerous restrictive rules of your forum?

No one showed me any rule I broke, all I know was that I was having a discussion with a Superhop and they shut me down. I emailed, but no discussion. No problem I have a forum.

Regarding discussion, here, you guys started by posting my argument and are the ones "bashing"... FSTDT's purpose, as far as I have seen.

As this place is not intended for debate from now on I will entertain only further posts @
IAMmjc.freeforums.org e

I will be ignoring further posts here and If I don't like your post, I will just ignore it.








6/4/2011 9:33:44 AM

Anon-e-moose

@perak1939

'J.C' = VenomFangX:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/VenomFangX

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/VenomFangX

However, a thought has crossed my mind: Doesn't someone who refers to himself as 'Jesus.Christ' raise a flag or three in itself? (never mind his own granite-rigid, unbending, one-dimensional dogmatic way of thinking that simply won't contemplate any other concepts). I'm no psychologist, but it doesn't take one to realise that said fundietard troll has a God Complex.

I refer you to He Who Must Not Be Named, a.k.a. T**y B****s:

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/06/36-troy-brooks.html

(although he's actually Canadian)

http://biblocality.com/forums/forum.php

Like that of 'J.C', basically a crusty wanking sock in HTML form.

6/4/2011 11:39:25 AM

Gypsin

who the fuck is Modus Tollens??? sounds like a religious fuckhead. his quotes are laughably stupid

"If God does not exist, then there is no logical reason for relying on logic" no, no, no. if god does not exist then i guess you do what we do and continue to rely on logic, live your life to the fullest, and die eventually. you dont need religion to have logic. unless of course you mean stupid logic.

7/19/2011 4:59:07 AM



@Gypsin,

"sounds like a religious fuckhead. his quotes are laughably stupid"

"Sounds like" indeed!

Continued exposure to Jesus.Christ courtesy of his pathetic website has led me to believe he is merely a troll using the guise of a religious fanatic. His stupidity seems to be calculated to draw out the conversation/debate. For example, he is now deliberately misquoting the one poster he has left, getting the guy to respond to correct the misquotation, then misquoting (or otherwise seemingly misapprehending)the corrective response... Over and over, post after post.

Pathetic.

7/22/2011 4:00:26 AM

Big Jilm

Your first premise is crap, thus any conclusion you reach will be crap as well.

You can't even define "God" anyway.

Try your silly-gism out on yourself again, but this time, put an 's' after God and see how silly it is.

7/22/2011 6:44:24 AM

Saringuy

the viability logic is an axiom. therefore, it does not require a lot of proving. it's like 1 + 1 = 2

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