Quote# 81511

Effects on morale can be particularly adverse. The presence of women among male troops weakens combat readiness. All-male units in the field experience bonding that enhances unit cohesion and effectiveness. When women are introduced, men stop relating to each other and begin trying to attract the women. Nor can morale be improved when accusations of harassment are always a threat. Male officers leave the office door open or have a third person in the room when dealing with a female subordinate. An accusation of sexual harassment by the woman, even if unproven, would severely damage the man's service career, and both the man and the woman are acutely aware of that fact. They could hardly not be sensitive to the issue when, for example, Representative Pat Schroeder demanded and got sexual harassment training for all personnel in order to rid the Navy of bad attitudes.

The Israelis, Soviets, and Germans, when in desperate need of front-line troops, placed women in combat, but later barred them. Male troops forgot their tactical objectives in order to protect the women from harm or capture, knowing what the enemy would do to female prisoners of war. This made combat units less effective and exposed the men to even greater risks. In the Gulf War a female American pilot was captured, raped, and sodomized by Iraqi troops. She declared that this was just part of combat risk. But can anyone suppose that male pilots will not now divert their efforts to protecting female pilots whenever possible?

Our military seems quite aware of such dangers, but, because of the feminists, it would be politically dangerous to respond as the Israelis did by taking women out of harm's way. Instead, the American solution is to try to stifle the natural reactions of men. The Air Force, for example, established a mock prisoner of war camp to desensitize male recruits so they won't react like men when women prisoners scream under torture. There is a very considerable anomaly here. The military is training men to be more sensitive to women in order to prevent sexual harassment and also training men to be insensitive to women being raped and sodomized or screaming under torture. It is impossible to believe that both efforts can succeed simultaneously.

Robert Bork, Fathers for Life 64 Comments [5/26/2011 3:57:50 AM]
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Submitted By: Honky McCracker

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5/26/2011 4:27:04 AM


I know a few women inside and out of the military who would kick your ass.

5/26/2011 4:38:19 AM



5/26/2011 4:38:39 AM


Females aren't the only victims of rape in war Sunshine!

5/26/2011 4:46:05 AM

[citation needed]

5/26/2011 5:10:08 AM

Head of the conspiracy

I just went and did a little research. The IDF does indeed hire and conscript women into frontline roles. "Barred them", eh?

5/26/2011 5:24:39 AM

Doctor Whom

Now how could anyone ...?

Oh. It's Robert Bork. That explains it.

5/26/2011 5:37:29 AM


Blah blah blah, lies, blah blah blah, armchair sociology, blah blah blah mysoginy etc.

5/26/2011 5:37:38 AM

arctic knight

It is obvious to me that Robert has never served in the military. As a veteran for the past 19 years and still serving active duty now, as well as having served in "the field," I can tell you first hand that Bobby here is full of shit.

5/26/2011 5:42:37 AM


Funny how all of the issues that are used to justify misogyny, were created by misogyny in the first place. When they do not come directly from the misogynist's nether regions, that is.

5/26/2011 5:46:26 AM


The natural reactions of men?

More like the natural reactions of some religious paraphiliac

5/26/2011 5:51:47 AM

Raised by Horses

Women in the army? Oh, noes! Why, next thing you know, they'll be letting those sissy-boy queers sign up for military service! They won't be of any use to us in combat, either, since they'll be too busy applying mascara and parading around in comfortable, frilly clothing!


5/26/2011 6:01:20 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Apparently the nebulous concept of "morale" is the end-all-be-all concept for justifying whatever nonsense restrictions a person wants to put on who is allowed to serve in the military. Women? Demoralize men. Gays? Demoralize straights. Atheists? Demoralize Christians. I wonder if at one point in history, blacks were supposedly ruining the morale of upstanding white troops...

5/26/2011 6:09:30 AM


I suppose it depends on where you start from. If you believe that women are inferior pretty little things good for child rearing, sex and cleaning then yeah you have a point.

If you believe that the majority of differences that appear between men and women are due to social attitudes rather than competency then your full of shit.

Oh and the name Honky McCracker is funny as fuck.

5/26/2011 6:12:11 AM


Fathers for Life? Dear god you've reproduced?!? What kind of bimbo would stoop so low as to be your wife?

5/26/2011 6:20:45 AM

Mister Spak

Just because girls can beat you up, doesn't mean we should keep them out of the military.

5/26/2011 6:23:02 AM

Doubting Thomas

I was in the military in the early 90's. I worked alongside women. I even worked under female officers. Morale was never affected by this. In fact, I think I can honestly say that morale would have been pretty poor if the military were solely a sausage fest.

5/26/2011 6:38:44 AM


This is certainly a mysoginist post but there's nothing really about religion.

5/26/2011 7:03:02 AM


Double post.

5/26/2011 7:03:41 AM


"When women are introduced, men stop relating to each other and begin trying to attract the women."

Clearly thought up by someone who doesn't know how to be a professional. The only REAL reason to be concerned about woman on the battle field is the lack of female-specific body armor, compromising their safety or effectiveness as a result, though now that there's enough females in the military they're actually working on that.

5/26/2011 7:22:04 AM

Greater Good

Bloodysneeze, if you'd read the site's faqs, you'd know that a quote does not have to be religious to be fundy. Kthnxbai.

Also, [citation needed] on most of this, especially the POW training camp.

5/26/2011 7:30:15 AM


"The presence of women among male troops weakens combat readiness."

There are women soldiers in the British Army. PROTIP: as demonstrated in the film "Starship Troopers", when it cones to serving your civilised world, as long as you're physically fit, you can serve. Regardless of gender.

Would you like to know more?

5/26/2011 7:37:06 AM

Dan Onymous

Has anyone told the IDF that Israel has banned women soldiers?

Perhaps they're all wearing fake beards like in Life of Brian at the stoning.

5/26/2011 7:50:53 AM


Actually, the Israeli Army enlists men and women! They are not a voluntary army, everybody has to do their duty and serve!

Men and Women can work / serve together just fine, without focusing on sex, but it seems fundies make it all about this? Also, I don't understand your idea of men being trained to be sensitive and insensitive about one issue at the same time!

5/26/2011 8:00:19 AM


"When women are introduced, men stop relating to each other and begin trying to attract the women."

So the obvious solution is to recruit more gay soldiers.

5/26/2011 8:05:55 AM

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