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Let's have a trial before we go delivering the verdict, eh?
5/27/2011 3:17:52 AM
If Stein stuck to his point which is (I think) that the media have already "convicted" this guy without trial, it would be fair comment. But his descent into the old fallback position of making accusations against the complainant is reprehensible. It's why so many are fearful of reporting rape.
Of course Stein is nothing if not a complete idiot, so why should we be surprised that he wrote an article as full of idiocy as he did?
5/27/2011 3:46:03 AM
Hey, Ben: I hope a yak butt-rapes you. Twice.
5/27/2011 3:46:31 AM
Well, Benny, your fellow drones at the American Sphincter are the ones who keep telling us that the rich are morally superior; in that light, it's quite relevant.
By the way, you do know you're defending one o' those Frenchie socialists, right?
5/27/2011 3:49:04 AM
Ben Stein, would you kindly fuck off back to irrelevance already? Thanks. Your persecution complex is starting to stink again.
5/27/2011 3:50:23 AM
No, I think its because he either stuck his winky into someone who didn't want his winky stuck into them or tried to. That's usually how rapes happen.
5/27/2011 3:50:50 AM
Why this quote from Ben Stein, when he said much more stupid things than this about the IMF president?
Google "Ben Stein IMF", and I'm sure you can find things that make Stein a rape apologist.
5/27/2011 4:20:18 AM
How exactly is this fundie?
5/27/2011 4:29:44 AM
Go back to your grave, Ayn Rand.
5/27/2011 4:45:44 AM
Yeah - cause rape is not a crime to be investigated. Clearly this is just a case of poor people hating on the rich.
5/27/2011 4:59:56 AM
Ben Stien eh? Stick to acting, youre not as smart as you THINK you are.
5/27/2011 5:03:37 AM
TempusBen Stein, would you kindly fuck off back to irrelevance already?
If only it could be THIS easy...
/a man choose
//a slave obeys
5/27/2011 5:06:20 AM
Let me guess, he goes on to explain how the "haves" are so superior and would never commit a crime...
5/27/2011 5:15:01 AM
Trial by media would be enough in many countries for a plea that a fair trial in a court of law would be impossible, and it would likely be upheld!
What is it that Americans have to come up with a verdict before the trial?
As to the cost of a hotel room, it is irrelevant. The man is wealthy. Very! Besides, the IMF was probably picking up the tag.
5/27/2011 5:15:33 AM
"this is a case about the hatred of the have-nots for the haves, and that's what it's all about."
No this is a case of billionaires who thinks he is allowed to do anything buying his way out of a conviction.
5/27/2011 5:28:08 AM
Ze French Communiste
actually, DSK (Dominic Strauss-Khan, IMF ex-president) is a presumed rapist, and has a reputation as a dirty old man, and a pervert.
lucilius, i take offence to that remark. there are no socialists in france: either they are too right-wing (like dsk), useless (like aubry and royal), or out of it (the rest). yeah, sure france is more left-wing than the USA, but it's still an isult to socialism.
The worst about it is that the rest of the french politicians are covering him, whereas they should be condemning his ways, guilty or not: DSK doesn't do politics, and you can't exactly be president of the IMF and be a socialist at the same time. Just because one of their own is involved in a scandal, the rest of the group covers up, instead of seeing it as a warning.
If it were up to me, throw out the lot of them, get other officials, and make the elite scared of the people. My definition of democracy is "the dictature of the masses", aka "real power to the people", and not just an aristocracy governing the rest.
@xotan: dsk actually said of french TV: "ma femme m'as mis a l'abris du besoin". "my wife got me out of needing anything". translated from politician:"my wife is so filthy stinking rich I don't need to work ever, but i still do to have fun with the money and prestige associated with my position". hell, i just remembered even his wife thinks he's an ok guy despite the mounting evidence against him (seminal fluid found, scratches, etc)..
5/27/2011 5:28:16 AM
The fuck? Whether or not he's guilty, just because a guy can afford an expensive hotel room doesn't mean he automatically has something to hide.
5/27/2011 5:33:52 AM
@Ze French Communste: My remark was made tongue-in-cheek, as Stein and friends love to denounce many "socialists" who aren't really socialists and love to sneer at the French in particular; thus it's particularly ironic that Stein is defending someone he'd normally hate just so he can denounce others he hates more: the supposed "liberal media."
5/27/2011 5:41:55 AM
There's been no verdict before a trial. As in every case in which a rich man is accused by a poor woman, every reporter I've heard cover this case has walked on eggshells in this man's favor when covering the story because of who he is, never failing to unfairly cast suspicion on the alleged victim by bringing up the so-far baseless accusations made against her by the IMF President's supporters, claiming that she's either part of a political plot against him or a con-artist looking for a big payday, despite the fact that there's forensic and eyewitness evidence against him (which we didn't hear about until several days after the incident) and a number of other women have made complaints against him. Same as it ever was.
5/27/2011 6:01:31 AM
This coming from the guy who thinks that there's an evil conspiracy to keep creationism out of schools.
Why don't you go back to hawking eye drops, Ben?
5/27/2011 6:08:08 AM
DSK does not appear to be a paragon of virtue by any account; however, it is also true that the only reason to report the price of the room was to paint his character as affluent, thereby exascerbating the disparity between his dubious morals and his luck of the draw in order to make people dislike him more, cause greater drama and outrage, and thus sell more papers.
5/27/2011 6:24:03 AM
Extree! Extree! Read all about it! Former Nixon speechwriter claims rich, powerful men don't commit crimes!
5/27/2011 6:34:25 AM
The press also mentioned that the housekeeper is a single mom and was wearing a headscarf. Facts. The hotel room cost was also a fact. Was any of this relevant? Maybe not. But rich people have been known to rape poor people. And vice versa. He will get his day in court. So will she.
5/27/2011 6:42:07 AM
Well, I guess that fucks up the fundies/conspiracy theorists' notion of a 'NWO'.
Because if there were a shadowy overgovernment ruling the world, who by definition, have absolute control of all information, and the dissemination of such - or not - then we would have never even heard of all this shenanigans with Dominique Strauss-Kahn in the first fucking place. After all, he would be in possession of knowledge that would severely damage, nay, annihilate the 'NWO' as we know it (or not!).
Along with the whole 'Man didn't land on the Moon' malarkey only appearing after the release of the film "Capricorn One" in 1978 (just nine years after Armstrong's 'One Small Step For Man', and the floater that is David Icke's 'Shapeshifting Lizardmen Rule The World' turd only surfacing after the airing of the TV miniseries "V" in 1984, frankly, debunking Conspiracy Theories are becoming as much an intellectual challenge as disproving the existence of God.
...oh, and it was Conspiracy Theorists who did 9/11. After Roswell, JFK, Diana et al, the poor tinfoil hat-wearers' bullshit was becoming stale, and they needed fresh dung to feed upon. Two trillion flies can't be wrong, eh?! [/hyper-sarcasm]
(Ah, being a killjoy, and destroying peoples' fun - in this case, that of the fundies/tinfoil (ass)hatters. Such fun! >:D )
The 'NWO'. Along with Freemasonry and Area 51*. The best, worst kept secrets*.
"X-Files"' 'Cigarette Smoking Man' (and his equivalent - albeit far more benevolent - in the anime series "Stratos 4"), anyone?
*- Project Aurora. One of the above top secret aircraft tested at Groom Lake. Fact: There's one stationed at RAF Macrihanish, right here in the UK.
5/27/2011 7:14:47 AM
Raised by Horses
And just when you thought Ben Stein couldn't be any more pitiful..
5/27/2011 7:55:48 AM
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