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2 billion deaths as a result of false beliefs in the history of the world before Jesus

2 and 1/2 million in 2000 years. on comparison to the rest of our recorded history.

Does that sound like a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS.

And he still promises more to come.

Most people like to take a view that supports their own interpretation without looking at the big picture.

Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history.

Elias Vasquez, Amazon.com Religion Discussion Forum 69 Comments [5/28/2011 3:27:06 AM]
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#1293896
SpukiKitty

LADIES & GENTS, POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL TIME!:


[2 billion deaths as a result of false beliefs in the history of the world before Jesus]

How would YOU know, bub? Oh, it would be COUNTLESS human deaths before Jesus since the planet is BILLIONS of years old! As for the "False Belief" thing, you're an idiot and *drum roll*...CITATION NEEDED!


[2 and 1/2 million in 2000 years. on comparison to the rest of our recorded history.]

First, CITATION NEEDED....Second, The Earth's billions of years old & your Genesis story is just a myth & a metaphor....Third, CRUSADES, INQUSITIONS, WITCH HUNTS, POGROMS, THE HOLOCAUST, IMPERIALISM, SLAVERY...Yadayadayada & so on...Your argument would have merit if Christians actually LIVED & PRACTICED Jesus' message, example & ethical teachings...But they didn't so there!


[Does that sound like a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS.]

No, it's mostly a faliure because his followers ignore him & pay only lip service...there are many exceptions but you'd reject them as "Commie/Pinko/Satanist/Baby-Eating Whatever".


[And he still promises more to come.]

More what? People not dying? Inquisitions? Gamera Movies? Post Nasal Drip? "Jerry Springer" reruns? Farting Elephants? WHAT? WHAAAAT?!!


[Most people like to take a view that supports their own interpretation without looking at the big picture.]

My...what a lovely mirror you have!


[Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history.]

So apparently, Christians ACTUALLY FOLLOWED Jesus & the Inquisions, Pogroms, Nazi Death Camps, N. Ireland infighting, Witch Hunts, Crusades & all that bananas never happned....and I hang with Elvis in a UFO piloted by Howard Hughes & WWN's Bat Boy and visit Nessie's house in the Mushroom Kingdom to for "Yahtzee" with him/her/it & Cthulhu.





5/28/2011 9:41:16 AM
#1293897
TB Tabby

CITATION.

SERIOUSLY.

FUCKING.

NEEDED.

WHICK false beliefs were these?! HOW did they lead to those deaths?! WHERE did you get those figures?! HOW are we supposed to know you're not just pulling out of the usual place that Cretinist claims come from?! We don't...but Occam's Razor suggests that you are.


o/~ Lying for the Lord, Lying for the Lord, fuck the Ninth Commandment, we're LYING FOR THE LOOOOOORD! o/~

5/28/2011 9:43:18 AM
#1293898
SpukiKitty

"CROOOOCK OF AAAGGGESSSSS...."

"Oh Stupid Mug Now Lyyyyyiiiinnnggg...."

"I'm A Liar...Liar...Butt-Pull Lyin' Liar...For The Bloooood of The Laaaaammmmbbb!"

5/28/2011 9:50:37 AM
#1293899
Canama

Lyin' for Jebus!

5/28/2011 9:57:51 AM
#1293901
nazani14


Maybe he has a problem reading decimal places:
"I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,476,633, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers.:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

5/28/2011 10:03:50 AM
#1293902
Pule Thamex

O what a wag that Jesus is. He's got His followers so goggle-eyed stupid that they don't know their arse from their elbow, lies from truth, fantasy from reality, joy from histrionic mega-hype, ravening evil from humaneness. This proves that there's not a great deal of difference between fundie nobheads and trollish wind-up merchants. Sometimes it's hard to tell. Whatever the case with this one, he's still a "Nobbins me lad" and no mistake.

5/28/2011 10:16:17 AM
#1293903
Anon-e-moose

"Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history. "

'Look at the big picture', eh? This picture big enough for you? Well then. Look:



Your argument is invalid, Eliarse.

5/28/2011 10:17:44 AM
#1293911


Sorry, how do you know how many people died before Jesus?. We barely know how many people were born..............

5/28/2011 10:53:23 AM
#1293922
Selkie

Meaning before Jesus everyone who lived on earth was destined for hell? Even though it was not their fault or within their control?

You look at the big picture - you are indicting your jackass deity.

5/28/2011 11:05:39 AM
#1293948
John_in_Oz

Your lies make Baby Jesus cry.

5/28/2011 11:39:06 AM
#1293952
freako104

You failed history bad

5/28/2011 12:02:03 PM
#1293954
emau99

1) I'm going to have to ask you for one hell of a citation for those stats.

2) Assuming that your stats are even remotely accurate--are you actually arguing that your religion is a success because it's responsible for fewer murders than any other? Do I have that right?

5/28/2011 12:26:28 PM
#1293975
:)

Say, is it just me - or did anyone else, when first reading the comment, think Elias was actually denying that the world existed before Jesus was born?

5/28/2011 2:36:01 PM
#1293980


Look, folks, Elias obviously isn't at all bright. He's asking to get torn to pieces by posting in the first place, but he doesn't realise how brains are supposed to work, what facts are, how you put an argument together. It's no good telling him "citation needed" because he won't know what a citation is or where he could find one. He is seriously and incurably THICK. So my question is

HOW THE HELL DID THIS POST GET PAST AMAZON'S MODERATOR?

5/28/2011 3:02:51 PM
#1293982
Xotan

Elias Vasquez? Are you the get of some baptist missionaries in south America? If so you need deprogramming.

forget your 2,000 years before Jesus, if he ever existed. Think more like 4 billion. You Holey Bubble is a mind twisting load of bullshit.

Belief in Jesus was responsible for the Crusades and the inquisition and the concentration camps of WW II and the terrible holocaust of Jews Homosexuals, Romany and others considered 'undesirables'.

A final point, since you ignore the religious dimension of Nazism, you will have no grounds for bjection if you should ever find yourslef in a concentration camp.

BTW, we've just had one more failed promise of jesus's return. Are you making another bogus promise?

5/28/2011 3:16:36 PM
#1293986
Old Viking

See an ophthalmologist. Soon.

5/28/2011 3:32:54 PM
#1293997
Canama

"Hello, is this the asylum? ...Yeah, I'd like to report an escaped inmate."

5/28/2011 6:45:08 PM
#1293998
vaiyt

Elias Vasquez, Bizarro World historian!

5/28/2011 6:50:37 PM
#1293999
Blarghonius

Yes, because even if this statistics weren't entirely fictitious (Way more than 2.5 million died in WWI alone), correlation is the same as causation, right? Using this logic, I could claim that the horribly, unpardonable sin of gayness is caused by Christianity because it is significantly more visible now.

5/28/2011 7:38:11 PM
#1294007
Renon

Denying history does not make it go away.

5/28/2011 8:01:18 PM
#1294040
myheadhurts

R U Fucking kidding me?

5/28/2011 9:00:59 PM
#1294046
SweetZombieJesus

*headdesk*

Oy...well, as a Christian, I must ask you to define that very term, since you don't seem to know what it means. People like e.g. the Crusaders WERE Christians, even if they were evil fucktards.

Oh, and for the record, it's estimated that 100 billion people have ever lived, +/- 10 bil, in case anyone here was wondering.

5/28/2011 10:27:03 PM
#1294064
TWoozl

...I really don't have a reply to this. Well, beyond suggesting Thorazine and a nice self-hugging white jacket for Elias here.

5/29/2011 12:48:19 AM
#1294071
WMDKitty

*snicker*

That's... wow, man. So wrong it needs a new word to describe just how wrong it is.

5/29/2011 2:38:24 AM
#1294073
TWoozl

@#1294071
WMDKitty

Wrongasm? Facteurysm? ;)


5/29/2011 2:46:04 AM
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