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As far as whether or not there is a God, all I can say is this: Ask yourself how everything came into existence. I know people will say a big bang created the universe. But what caused that big bang? People will say it was a bunch of gases that suddenly exploded. But then ask yourself... where did those gases come from?

LighthouseEagle, Bibleforums.org 17 Comments [10/26/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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AWP

And were did god come from? ;)

10/27/2005 11:32:34 AM

Crosis

Dammit, AWP, you beat me to it.

10/27/2005 1:22:09 PM

llDayo

Those gases came from the baked beans God had for lunch, obviously.

10/27/2005 1:23:28 PM

Darth Wang

*BZZZZT* WRONG! There were no gases until the molecules to make them formed, which happened quite a while after the Big Bang. It was just pure mass in a singularity. And it always existed. How hard is that of a concept to grasp.

10/27/2005 4:16:38 PM

TDR

\"always\", Darth? you mean, like \"turtles all the way down\"?

but seriously, someone get Lighthouse here a book to read. Obviously the dude's brain needs some filling up, PDQ

10/27/2005 9:56:33 PM

Ens

Looks like he is the fundy who is closest to the truth without going over

10/28/2005 4:04:30 AM

Kimball Khan

Perhaps as knowledge increases, belief in science among fundies approaches, without actually reaching, 1

10/28/2005 6:48:22 AM

Ens

So am I to conclude from that that non-fundies are in fact fundies with infinite knowledge?

10/28/2005 4:40:10 PM

Kimball Khan

I meant as overall human knowledge increases, the fundies will get closer and closer to believing in science.

10/28/2005 6:37:31 PM

ez-c

Kimball,

I'm not sure I agree with you there. According to polls from earlier this month, only 15% of Americans believe in evolution and 30% believe in the Big Bang Theory. 51% of people believe God did it. Only 20% of people are \"scientifically literate\".

http://www.rednova.com/news/general/287530/is_us_becoming_hostile_to_science/index.html?source=r_general

10/31/2005 8:27:03 PM

whatever

@ez-c

"Kimball,

I'm not sure I agree with you there. According to polls from earlier this month, only 15% of Americans believe in evolution and 30% believe in the Big Bang Theory. 51% of people believe God did it. Only 20% of people are \"scientifically literate\"."

85% of statistics are made up on the spot...

7/21/2011 5:49:49 PM

Tempus

Actually, it wasn't an explosion at all--what really happened is rather difficult for most people to grasp.

The word "explosion" implies that there was an "outside" from which it was possible to observe an explosion, or for an explosion to explode INTO. It's not that there was nothing outside--it's that there was no outside, period. By definition, nothing "outside" of the Universe does or can exist.

What actually happened was this--the universe, all of space and time and all the matter, energy, and force in it, started out smashed together into a very, very small volume, smaller than an atom, smaller than a subatomic particle, smaller than...well, it was very, very small. And for reasons that physicists are still puzzling out, and may never be able to adequately answer, that teeny tiny region of space suddenly started growing. And what grew is actual "space" itself.

At some point during this expansion, space had expanded sufficiently that matter, energy, time and the fundamental forces were decompressed enough to start acting in the manner in which we see them behaving today.

Space is still expanding--most everything in the universe we can see is getting farther and farther apart as time goes on. In fact, by some measurements, the expansion may be accelerating over time. The universe is still growing. In addition, space in all directions around us is filled with a weak radio "hiss" referred to as the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation--this is the last, lingering trace of the heat and light that once filled the universe when everything was crammed together into a tiny volume.

So in conclusion, you're wrong about most everything.

If you choose to believe that God set the whole thing in motion, then there's nothing wrong with that. There's also no way to prove or disprove it one way or another, and may never be, since that requires us to have a working knowledge of conditions that existed prior to the birth of the universe.


7/21/2011 8:56:29 PM

Dr. Shrinker

That's the beauty of science LighthouseEagle: it is always giving new questions to be answered. The quest for knowledge by way of the scientific method is a never ending process. It is this constant growth which makes science a living process.

Faith, by contrast, simply points to a book of doctrines and dogma and says, "that's all you need to know." If you ask difficult questions you will be buried under laughably ridiculous apologetics. If you persist in asking questions you will be ridiculed, shunned and in some cases tortured and killed. Seeking knowledge through religious dogma promotes no growth. Where there is no growth, there is no life.

Go ahead and embrace your dead path. I, for one, have some living to do.

7/22/2011 6:13:05 AM

Anon-e-moose

Meanwhile, we on Planet Reality are asking you lot: where did God come from?

What colour is the sky in your dimension, ShiteHawk?

7/22/2011 7:29:35 AM

Professor M

Well, there might have been a "before the big bang", though time itself might only come into existence with the expansion of space. There might be other universes, which may or may not be completely inaccessible from this one. This universe could be a little bubble stuck to the side of a rather larger and more complicated place.

But here's the thing about all those speculations: we don't know yet. And as much as the fundies and theologians would like to pretend otherwise, "we don't know" is not grounds to say "therefore we know that it was X". Because "we don't know" means "we don't know, and if we want to find out we have a lot of science to get working on", not "just throw in whatever crap you want and call it knowledge".

7/22/2011 8:32:11 AM

Quantum Mechanic

What the fuck are you talking about?

8/9/2011 8:42:35 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Do something useful, die.

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