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Sodomy was illegal in America before 1962. That means people under 50 don’t really remember a time when sodomy was not celebrated and forced on people by the sodomite lobby and the government and media they control.

Sodomy laws need to be brought back. Acknowledging that sodomy is wrong is where to start.

Sound crazy ? Visit the sodomite street fair in SF. Decide if that’s the world you want your children to grow up in. Or think about the evil lunacy of sodomite adoption of children that were take from their families by the government with no TRIAL BY JURY.

Read about the American Law Institute and the Model Penal Code of 1962.

This is part of the beginning of taking America back from those who seek to DESTROY IT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Private Property. The Rule of Law. Personal Responsibility and Individual Liberty.

Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty.

We can get back to that liberty. We must. And we will.

PieterCasparzen, Free Republic 95 Comments [6/16/2011 3:47:37 AM]
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farpadokly

"Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty."
Only if you were a white male.

6/16/2011 3:59:59 AM

Doctor Whom

We need sodomy laws to protect individual liberty, since freedom is slavery.

6/16/2011 4:05:42 AM

Sherlockian

Personal liberty if you're not a Black person or a woman (of any color), anyway.

Also, I've been to SF Pride, thanks. it's actually a lot of fun. People kicking back and enjoying themselves, eating greasy carnival food, and drinking over-priced beer.

6/16/2011 4:09:48 AM



You do realize that if sodomy laws are enacted you can't get a blow job because that is sodomy.

Also, Try being black prior to 1800...asshole.

6/16/2011 4:28:53 AM

Aspergus

You know, just because people act a certain way at a parade does not mean they act that way all the time.

And what the hell are you talking about "going back to that liberty" in America before 1800? There was no liberty for anyone in the United States during that time except for white men who owned property!

I would like for you to stop parroting your misinformed ideas about "personal liberty." A person who believed in personal liberty would not simultaneously hold the belief that people should be persecuted for their sexual orientation.

6/16/2011 4:41:25 AM

Radaghast

Jesus... obesses much? Let's play the "sodomy" game! How many times can you fit the word "Sodomy" into your raving post about how evil it is? That's some industrial strength crazy right there.

I mean you've got to be fucked up if you think getting a blow job will DESTROY IT *america* AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR....

Plus if he honestly thinks that blowjobs are a "new thing", then he's even more stupid than I had thought....

6/16/2011 4:50:43 AM



"Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty."

Oh yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Unless you're black. Or a woman. Or gay. Or a Catholic. Or a Jew. Or...

6/16/2011 5:02:48 AM

Mister Spak

"Read about the American Law Institute and the Model Penal Code of 1962."

Read the Jim Crow laws. We should go back to that because that's the way it was in 1962.

6/16/2011 5:08:29 AM

The Jamo

So you want greater liberty by disallowing people to do something.

Right.

[size=20]MASSIVE LOGICAL DISCONNECT![/size]

6/16/2011 5:23:50 AM

The Jamo

Double post! My very first. Sorry about that. I guess there's a first time for everything.

6/16/2011 5:25:58 AM

arctic knight

"That means people under 50 don’t really remember a time when sodomy was not celebrated and forced on people by the sodomite lobby and the government and media they control."

Who is forcing you to engage is sodomy? All 50 states still have laws against rape and forcefully sodomizing you (without consent) is still a crime.

6/16/2011 5:27:52 AM

smartz

Hey, I'm not interested in having sex in the ass, but if someone else wants to do it, be gay or straight, they should have the right to do that in the privacy of their own homes.

Why are you complaining about getting back the right for "personal responsibility and individual liberty" when you are arguing against EXACTLY THAT. People have the personal liberty to do whatever they want to themselves or with their loved ones. It's self-defining.

6/16/2011 5:35:24 AM



Make up your mind, are you for "liberty" or a theocratic police state? You can't have both.

6/16/2011 5:39:57 AM

TakoTaco

How can you advocate liberty and the removal of other people's rights at the same time?
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Oh, I see. Personal liberty. As in your personal liberty to be a dick and rob others of their liberty.
I feel like quoting a certain mouse detective here: "Ratigan PieterCasparzen, no one can have a higher opinion of you than I have, and I think you're a slimy, contemptible sewer rat! "

6/16/2011 5:40:50 AM

John_in_Oz

Liberty. That word does not mean what you think it means.

6/16/2011 5:47:03 AM

Doubting Thomas

That means people under 50 don’t really remember a time when sodomy was not celebrated and forced on people by the sodomite lobby

Sodomy being legal =/= people being forced to participate in sodomy.

Sodomy laws need to be brought back.

Yes, let's throw all the sodomites in jail where nobody ever has anal sex.

Read about the American Law Institute and the Model Penal Code of 1962.

*smirk* "Penal."

taking America back from those who seek to DESTROY IT AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. Private Property. The Rule of Law. Personal Responsibility and Individual Liberty.

Yes, they want to destroy individual liberty by repealing laws banning people from having anal sex, while conservatives want to preserve individual liberty by making certain sexual behaviors illegal. Makes perfect sense.

We can get back to that liberty. We must. And we will.

You're not going to have any kind of personal liberty by restricting what sexual practices people are allowed to do.

6/16/2011 6:09:42 AM

JSS





I'm sorry. I'm still a little awestruck at the stupidity of your comment. What did you say about personal liberty circa 1800?

6/16/2011 6:13:33 AM

Hazor

I love how they invoke 'liberty' as if they know what it means. The way they use it, you'd think it meant the supremacy of protestant white males.

6/16/2011 6:25:01 AM

Allegory for Jesus

Translation: "Let us make certain forms of sex illegal IN THE NAME OF LIBERTY!1!!"

6/16/2011 6:48:32 AM



Look up Lawrence vs Texas - Prior to a 2003 Supreme Court case overturning state sodomy laws, I think about half of the states had laws against either sex outside of marriage or specifically homosexual acts. While in theory gays had sex rights from 1962, in practice it didn't start until 2003 (in the US).

6/16/2011 6:55:38 AM

TGRwulf

Despite what you've heard Pieter, ignorance is NOT bliss.

6/16/2011 7:09:23 AM

Big Jilm

I don't remember anytime in history when there was a law that sodomy must be celebrated and forced upon others.

6/16/2011 7:18:30 AM

Cy

If I got to choose (which I wouldn't, because I actually believe in personal freedom), I'd rather see a hypothetical child of mine visit the Folsom Street Fair than a fundamentalist Christian church. I wouldn't want to visit either of them personally, but in my experience the sort of people who would go to the former tend to be nice, friendly, respectful people, with no interest in forcing me or anyone else into having the exact same kind of sex that they like and banning everything else. The kind of people who would go to the latter usually aren't.

6/16/2011 7:29:49 AM

Brendan Rizzo

How "wonderful" it would have been to have lived in America before 1800? Back when if you were black, you were likely a slave even if you didn't live in the South, if you were female you practically had no rights, and even if you were a white male, if you were the average Joe you wouldn't have been able to vote or have a say in things because you were poor. This is not to mention all of the preventable diseases that you would be in danger of. The Founders were pretty progressive for their time, (and when it comes to religion, some of the Founders were even more progressive than some modern Americans, disappointingly) but their views were not representative of the public at large, and even then they still looked down on the "commoners". (Though to be fair, this is because the only educated people back then were rich property-owning white males. That doesn't excuse the Founders' racism, though.)

6/16/2011 7:35:30 AM

freako104

"Think about how wonderful it would have been to live in America prior to 1800 - in terms of personal liberty. "


Poe?

6/16/2011 7:38:08 AM
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