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Since ALL Atheists accept, defend and promote evolution fanatically, evolution says the Bible (Word of God) is false. Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is deluded and rightfully going to Hell.

Any Christian who denies the concept of design as existing in nature is rightfully going to Hell. Evolution says the concept of design does not exist in nature. Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is a deluded liar, rightfully going to Hell.

Ray Martinez, Pharyngula 57 Comments [6/24/2011 3:34:21 AM]
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Night Jaguar

Someone seems to be obsessed with Hell.

6/24/2011 3:49:12 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

"evolution says the Bible (Word of God) is false."

Evolution says no such thing. It is a theory, which explains how life changes. The only conflict it has with your faith is that you people insist on literal interpretation of your scriptures. Or As that noted atheist St. Augustine put things:

"It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation."

That's right. A Christian (next to Paul, arguably the most important Christian thinker, at that) in the 5th century, managed to figure out that the bible is not a fucking science text book. Why is it that you, a modern human who's basic education was light years beyond what Augustine had access to, can't grasp this?

6/24/2011 3:58:00 AM

whatever

And any Christian who agrees with anyone who says the Earth isn't flat must be stoned to death.

Then they will pass to eternal flames.

God is great, His mercy infinite.

6/24/2011 4:02:36 AM

Xotan

"Since ALL Atheists accept, defend and promote evolution fanatically, evolution says the Bible (Word of God) is false."

--- This sentence does not make sense. It does not hang together at all. That aside, Atheists don't have that much interest in the bible to be bothered about it that much. Most would say, I imagine, that it is fine as allegory and in helping to provide some guidelines for good living to those who are not developed in conscience.

Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is deluded and rightfully going to Hell.

---Sorry Ray. Assuming there were a hell, you nor any other Christian would make that decision. That is your God's prerogative, not yours. To usurp it is blasphemy of the first order. On your knees, blasphemer and beg for forgiveness.

Any Christian who denies the concept of design as existing in nature is rightfully going to Hell.

---My pervious comment applies here too.

Evolution says the concept of design does not exist in nature.

---Evolutionists say nothing of the kind, unless you can bring forward the hard evidence.

Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is a deluded liar, rightfully going to Hell.

--- More blasphemy, you blasphemer, you! You are in denial of God's mercy that Christians are supposed to believe in. Frankly, i think you get your rocks off on thoughts of people being tortured. Hell, if it every exists, is simply you conscience salver to allow your lurid and sadistic thoughts free range. I think you are sick.


6/24/2011 4:20:06 AM

BobsOldSocks

Published your book yet, Ray? You know, the one that's going to destroy the lives of every evolutionist?

6/24/2011 4:36:43 AM

Mihangel apYrs

does he sound a bit, y'know, excited by the thought of people being damned to an eternity of torture

6/24/2011 4:52:41 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


6/24/2011 5:00:49 AM



Here, let's just cut to the quick of what ol' Ray is trying to say...

ALL Atheists [are] going to Hell. Any Christian who denies is going to Hell.

See you there, Ray.

6/24/2011 5:09:38 AM

TGRwulf

Yes, yes, we get it, Hell and all that jazz.

6/24/2011 5:40:52 AM

Mister Spak

All you christians are going to hell anyway, because Islam is the real religion. Infidels are not allowed in heaven.

6/24/2011 5:44:40 AM

Lpopman

@BobsOldSocks:
Published your book yet, Ray? You know, the one that's going to destroy the lives of every evolutionist?

You mean the one he's been researching for the past 7 years (actually it's 6 years, but he seems to think it's 7).

Most of what he says involves Paley, so you know how shit his book will be :)

6/24/2011 5:46:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

The problem with your argument is that the Theory of Evolution says absolutly nothing about the bible. Your problem is that the bible is at odds with reality.

But nice attempt to scare Christians into remaining creationists.

6/24/2011 5:58:52 AM

Raised by Horses

You know where you can rightfully cram your "rightful Hell"?

Yep, you guessed it.

6/24/2011 7:12:35 AM

Big Jilm

Fail on all levels.

Atheists are not required to believe in Evolution. Evolution has shit to do with the existence of gods (they either don't exist or they exist and so does TOE).

Evolution doesn't say the Bible is false; Evolution doesn't address the Bible.

Christians can believe in Evolution. I doubt any God really gives a shit on what people believe about the origins and development of humans/organisms.

Me thinks your worship the Bible instead of any gods.

6/24/2011 7:16:37 AM



Do you know all atheists and have an intimate knowledge of their thoughts on speciation? Didn't think so. Do you know what the Theory of Evolution actually says? Didn't think so. Does the Theory of Evolution come up anywhere in the Bible, and is it denounced as a sinful act to accept it? Didn't think so. Is Ray Martinez a frothing lunatic who uses tales of an imaginary pit of fire to frighten people into believing his lies?

6/24/2011 7:20:04 AM

JSS

"Anyone who disagrees with me on anything is rightfully going to hell."

I'm guessing that's what you meant to say, then again I've been cynical before.

6/24/2011 7:35:31 AM

Panz

I love it when they do stuff like this, it's so stupid it almost surpasses funny as hell

6/24/2011 7:40:30 AM

Brendan Rizzo

You're wrong from the very first sentence. I know that there is at least one atheist who promotes something akin to creationism. I forget his name and the title of his book, but a screenshot of the cover is shown in one of AronRa's videos on the foundational falsehoods of creationism, so I am not making it up. You also totally misunderstand logic, but that is par for the course for creationists.

For instance, most atheists accept the notion of liberal democracy. Does that mean that all Christians who agree with atheists on this issue are going to hell?

6/24/2011 7:40:34 AM

dionysus

Bullshit! Even as an atheist I can tell you that evolution doesn't disprove the Bible (it disproves itself but that's another discussion). It disproves a literal interpretation of Genesis, yes, but it doesn't disprove any of the central tenets of Christianity. Also, that you think simply disagreeing with you is grounds for infinite torture says something very unsettling about you.

6/24/2011 7:41:54 AM



Why are you repeating yourself? Why are you repeating yourself? Why are you repeating yourself?

6/24/2011 7:59:39 AM



"Since ALL Atheists accept, defend and promote evolution fanatically..."

Not all atheists accept evolution, and I know of none who are "fanatical" about it. That's like being "fanatical" about the law of gravity.


"... evolution says the Bible (Word of God) is false."

Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, it's what happens after life starts. I've met plenty of Christians who believe in god, yet accept the evolutionary process.


"Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is deluded and rightfully going to Hell. Any Christian who denies the concept of design as existing in nature is rightfully going to Hell... Any Christian who agrees with Atheists is a deluded liar, rightfully going to Hell."

Blah blah blah. Ray, when all you can do is threaten your opponents, that's a sign that your argument is poor.

6/24/2011 8:41:11 AM

Liberal Christian

I'm sorry, but are you God? No? Then you have no authority over who does and who doesn't go to hell.

6/24/2011 8:50:23 AM

BobsOldSocks

@Lpopman

Yeah, exactly! Paley and the redefinition of commonly understood terms. Cos when you can redefine something out of existence...;o)

6/24/2011 9:17:45 AM

Zeus Almighty

Everybody is goin' ta H-E-L-L except for me and the 12 other members of my independent Baptist church* take 79,673.

* Well, Bubba's known to drink a Coors Light ever' once in a while, so I'm not so sure about him. But otherwise we're solid.

6/24/2011 9:25:05 AM



What about those who haven't seen speaking snakes, for example?

6/24/2011 9:25:51 AM
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