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In March, I woke up to the terrible news that a massive earthquake and tsunami had devastated Japan.

Today I can still see the TV images of the tsunami hitting the eastern coast of Japan. The mud, debris, and destruction were almost unbelievable to watch.

Now, there is a different kind of tsunami I want to write about. It’s one that is also causing major destruction, and it’s happening all around us as I write. This tsunami is biblical compromise in the church, and it’s creating waves of spiritual destruction throughout the Christian world.

I have written a number of blogs recently about Christian academics who are publishing books and articles—and giving talks—on topics relating to how they approach the Bible, and Genesis in particular. The blogs revealed that an increasing number of Christian academics teach that:

* Adam is just a metaphor for Israel and was not a real person.
* Genesis chapter 1 is not a material account of origins, but is supposedly about the creation of some “cosmic temple.”
* God took two animals and gave them “animal amnesia”’ so they wouldn’t remember all the death over the supposed millions of years that turned them into Adam and Eve.
* The image of God evolved in man over time.
* The apostle Paul “would have flunked hermeneutics” (the practice of Bible interpretation).
* The “apostles were lousy at exegesis” (expositing the biblical text), etc.

Ken Ham, Answers In Genesis 63 Comments [6/24/2011 3:37:49 AM]
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TB Tabby

This is one vulture that arrived late to the feast.

6/24/2011 3:47:41 AM


So an old-established pile of bullcrap is being supplanted by different, newer bullcrap. Same crap, different day. Or different crap, same day. So what?


6/24/2011 3:55:21 AM


If you wish to sepak about biblical compromise sincerely, the first thing you must do is change your name. the bible explicitly prohibits pigs and pig products. Ham is most inappropriate. Change it.

6/24/2011 3:59:20 AM

Piglet fucker.

6/24/2011 4:12:04 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

6/24/2011 4:38:32 AM

Mihangel apYrs

another cnut who battens off the offerings of followers and adds nothing to the greater good.

And his comments concerning the tsunami in Japan are so turd-like that I contemplate the fitness of physical violence

6/24/2011 4:59:41 AM

Mister Spak

Your post is a tsunami of stupid.

6/24/2011 5:36:46 AM



6/24/2011 5:37:00 AM


So in other words people not being bible literalists is just as bad as hundreds of people dying? Wow, fuck you.

6/24/2011 5:39:07 AM


Just when you thought that this asshole couldn't sink any lower...

6/24/2011 5:45:12 AM

Doubting Thomas

In other words, you're afraid that Christians are actually admitting that the bible is not 100% literally true, and it scares the hell out of you, doesn't it?

I love it.

6/24/2011 5:51:02 AM



6/24/2011 6:14:42 AM

Pule Thamex

Bible God has taken to cowering among the cumuli that waft over remoter, less populated parts parts of the world. He has been totally subdued and effectively KO'd. Humiliated by atheists everywhere, He's given up the ghost, as it were, and nowadays won't even respond to prayers, even the prayers of His most fervent zombies. Even His blue-eyed, golden-haired son, Jesus, is still busy enjoying His eternal paradise and has forgotten His earthly puppets. And we long ago duffed-up that scaredy cat Satan. What a complete namby-pamby pushover joke Ol' Nick was. Thankfully, there's a good side to all this deity quelling, now that the Supernaturals are largely ignoring us, we can free ourselves from idiotic superstition and take responsibility for our own actions and try and make a better world for our children and their children.

6/24/2011 6:42:44 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Now, I have gathered that both fundies and atheists dislike moderate (read: non-fundie) Christians (and those of other faiths) for "compromising" their beliefs. The fundies use this as "evidence" that the moderates are not Real True Christians (TM) while the atheists are upset that the moderates can reject obvious irrationality in one area of their holy texts but are unwilling to go the whole nine yards and reject the whole thing. Thus, the atheists consider moderates hypocrites while the fundies consider them heretics. A non-fundamentalist Christian just cannot win, it seems. So merely being upset at "biblical compromise" does not in itself qualify as a darndest thing. However, the fact that Ham is both misrepresenting what the scholars say and denying that they have any legitimacy whatsoever (after all, they are the scholars; they have used the historical method and know what they are talking about) puts this as unequivocally fundie. And that's when he doesn't get it just plain wrong. (I have never heard of any Biblical scholar advocating the third bullet point, for instance, and have never heard of any "cosmic temple". Ham is obviously trying to make these respectable scholars sound like New Age lunatics.)

6/24/2011 7:10:14 AM


God took two animals and gave them “animal amnesia”’ so they wouldn’t remember all the death over the supposed millions of years that turned them into Adam and Eve.

@Brendan Rizzo "Now, I have gathered that both fundies and atheist assholes dislike moderate (read: non-fundie) Christians (and those of other faiths) for "compromising" their beliefs."

Fixed. Also, even moderate Christians sometimes dislike each other for not being in the same sect.

6/24/2011 7:12:28 AM


No, it's not biblical compromise, it's people trying to reconcile their religion with intelligence.

It's stupid, yes, but then you aren't any better.

Banana anyone?

6/24/2011 7:29:28 AM

Raised by Horses

"Hang on, guys. Your new nonsense is... well... a load of nonsense! You should revert back to our old-timey nonsense right now. Or you'll go to Hell. It's a really scary place. And it really exists. Really. No, don't ask me how I know that, I just do."

Same as it ever was.

6/24/2011 7:35:47 AM

"Vimes shook his head. 'That always chews me up,' he said. 'People killing one another just because their gods have squabbled–'

'Oh, they've got the same god, Sir. Apparently it's over a word in their holy book, Sir. The Elharibians say it translates as "God" and the Smalies say it's "man".'

'How can you mix them up?'

'Well, there's only one tiny dot difference in the script, you see. And some people reckon it's only a bit of fly dirt in any case.'

'Centuries of war because a fly crapped in the wrong place?'

'It could have been worse,' said Carrot. 'If it had been slightly to the left the word would have been "liquorice".'

Whenever I read of arguments over interpretation of religious texts, I am reminded of this exchange between Vimes and Carrot (Terry Pratchett, Jingo).

6/24/2011 7:46:58 AM

christian leftie

So wait, you're saying that the beliefs mainstream and mainline Christians, that is the majority of Christianity, is going to destroy Christianity?

6/24/2011 8:12:28 AM


Hundreds of people died so that I could make a cheap throwaway reference and a clumsy transition for my divisive preaching.

6/24/2011 8:23:15 AM


@Brendan Rizzo

I'll only speak for myself but I'm an atheist who doesn't dislike anyone for belonging to a particular faith. I dislike liars and frauds and bigots but I tend to pity good people who have merely been sucked in and/or have never had an opportunity to break the bonds of faith.

6/24/2011 9:19:14 AM

However, believing that a snake ACTUALLY spoke to Eve sounds saner. Whatever.

6/24/2011 9:23:27 AM


I really hate how you used the earthquake in Japan just to get people's attention.

6/24/2011 9:29:03 AM

Joe Mama

Ken's just worried that if most Christians don't take Genesis literally, then his Creation Museum will go out of business.

6/24/2011 9:41:46 AM

Argle Bargle

Most Biblical scholars don't interpret the Bible literally. Ken's microscopic cult is the exception, and he's REALLY pissed about it.

6/24/2011 9:46:52 AM

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