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In March, I woke up to the terrible news that a massive earthquake and tsunami had devastated Japan.

Today I can still see the TV images of the tsunami hitting the eastern coast of Japan. The mud, debris, and destruction were almost unbelievable to watch.

Now, there is a different kind of tsunami I want to write about. It’s one that is also causing major destruction, and it’s happening all around us as I write. This tsunami is biblical compromise in the church, and it’s creating waves of spiritual destruction throughout the Christian world.

I have written a number of blogs recently about Christian academics who are publishing books and articles—and giving talks—on topics relating to how they approach the Bible, and Genesis in particular. The blogs revealed that an increasing number of Christian academics teach that:

* Adam is just a metaphor for Israel and was not a real person.
* Genesis chapter 1 is not a material account of origins, but is supposedly about the creation of some “cosmic temple.”
* God took two animals and gave them “animal amnesia”’ so they wouldn’t remember all the death over the supposed millions of years that turned them into Adam and Eve.
* The image of God evolved in man over time.
* The apostle Paul “would have flunked hermeneutics” (the practice of Bible interpretation).
* The “apostles were lousy at exegesis” (expositing the biblical text), etc.


Ken Ham, Answers In Genesis 63 Comments [6/24/2011 3:37:49 AM]
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moose

Ken, when you christinsanes get yall's story straight about what gawd is and is not, and what actually did and did not happen in the wholly babble, and yall get that "literal interpretation" thing to actually be consistent with each of you that claim it.....then talk to me.

Until then, thanks for the big laughs while yall try to make excuses and convoluted apologies for a bronze age mythology.

6/25/2011 7:51:34 PM

Iron Boomer

1) Actually, Adam wasn't real. See, the Israelites, lack the scientific clarity and created a mythos to explain it.

2) "Cosmic temple?" And Genesis 1 is the first creation story that doesn't involve Adam or Eve in the slightest. It's poetry, certainly, but hardly a material account.

3) Not entirely sure what you're going with here, but it's more likely that our movement away from apes and into the Homo genius did not start with just two individuals.

4) I call total B.S. Our image of God has changed over time; the ancient Israelites didn't even believe in strict monotheism till the Greek Helenization; if anything God was one among many deities.
Moreover, the perception of God in the Hebrew Testament versus the Christian Testament is much different.

5) Actually, I do agree on this one. Paul was a Roman-born, well-educated Pharisee Jew before his conversion to Christianity. Compared to most of the other apostles, he would have been a very smart and knowledgeable about the Jewish interpretation of the Hebrew Testament at the time. Now if you're asking if he would flunk modern hermeneutics? Probably, if only for the 2000 years of study since.

6) Most of the Apostles would have been functionally illiterate. With the exceptions of say Paul, or Matt the Tax Collector, or Judas Iscariot (There are debates on what he did for a living), most of the early apostles would have been simple day laborers, fishermen, etc. While their Jewish background would ensure that they grew up learning to speak and read Hebrew as part of their faith system, those skills would have been abysmal at best, given they didn't use it in their day to day jobs.

In short, Mr. Ham; those Christian academics that you're decrying? Actually know what they're talking about. You are blinded by subservience to a worldview that is unsustainable in modern academia.

6/25/2011 8:10:57 PM

Berny

Ken, I don't expect you to understand but those other Bible scholars actually have degrees in history and languages and know that the Bible is largely superstition. They're trying to interpret it in a way that keeps it relevant to modern civilization. I think it's a complete waste of time but they're making the effort, and in the process have decided to accept that Genesis is complete fiction given what we've discovered about our universe over the past several centuries.
In short, Ken, it's only morons like you who wish to force people to accept the entirety of the Bible as inerrant and true.
It isn't and no amount of wishful thinking on your part will ever make it so.

6/25/2011 8:43:46 PM

Dax

In March,I woke up.
That alone is enought to make me sad.

6/26/2011 6:53:25 AM

John

The blogs revealed that an increasing number of Christian academics teach that: blah, blah, blah ...

An "increasing number"? Up until a few centuries ago, virtually everyone was taught a metaphoric interpretation of Genesis. That's what was taught by the Catholic Church in accordance with the writings of Augustine of Hippo ("St. Augustine"). Augustine even wrote a treatise on it called "On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis". Strict literal interpretation of the Bible has only become popular in the last few centuries among Baptists, Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and other minor Christian sects.

6/26/2011 3:17:47 PM

David F Mayer

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* Adam is just a metaphor for Israel and was not a real person.
[/font]Not a metaphor for Israel, but for Humanity.[font color="blue"]

* Genesis chapter 1 is not a material account of origins, but is supposedly about the creation of some “cosmic temple.”
[/font]It is a MYTH.[font color="blue"]

* God took two animals and gave them “animal amnesia”’ so they wouldn’t remember all the death over the supposed millions of years that turned them into Adam and Eve.
[/font]What the Hell is that supposed to mean?[font color="blue"]
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6/26/2011 8:09:34 PM

SZD

I'm still having difficulty with the whole Animal Amnesia thing. I cannot figure out what that's about.

6/26/2011 8:46:24 PM

SpukiKitty

Lamenting the disaster in Japan....Followed by garbage.

6/27/2011 9:21:54 AM

Innominate

I'm pretty sure that "animal amnesia" dot point is proof that Ken Ham is not human. Is that even meant to make any sense whatsoever? Which animals does he think are millions of years old, why does he specify only two of them, and how many animals does he know who have told him they don't remember that death?

6/28/2011 12:27:00 PM

Anon

Animal amnesia? What?
Also, what happened to "God can do anything"? If he can do anything, why would this "animal amnesia" be so hard to believe?

6/30/2011 6:30:15 PM

Booky

It's just so weird. Do you think he actually came across 'an increasing number of Christian academics' teaching this stuff, or is he just inventing stuff to make the alternatives to Young Earth Creationism sound weirder than the idea itself?

I mean, he presents it like he's quoting people, but I have never, ever seen or heard such things, and I've explored this area a lot. This isn't even close to what Christians who don't reject science think or teach, but instead seems to assume a certain Ken Ham perspective on the world and the Bible.

7/8/2011 3:09:08 PM

Ebon

And the academics are mostly right, too.

8/21/2012 1:42:09 PM

Filin De Blanc

"In March, I woke up to the terrible news that a massive earthquake and tsunami had devastated Japan."

And my first thought was "how can I exploit this tragedy?"

8/21/2012 1:48:17 PM
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