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science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life SO= where did humans, animals,plant life come from? And science says there has to be a cause and effect so whats the cause. If a scientist could tell me that he knows where everything came from then i would believe that the bible is fake. but science will never be able to make sence think about it you keep coming back to how did it get started and science has no starting prosess for life. you cant take nothing and nothing and a little bit of nothing and put it togeter in a lab and creat anything. science dont even know how a cubit foot of space is created you know that stuff you walk threw ,air is in it ,your house is in it ,the earth is in it. you cant tell me space is just free theres no formula no math to figure it out. If you use worldly logic it just dont make sence you know science. the only logical answer is the unlogical one to use that something magical created everything wich would be god. Oh yeah i belive in the bible but i belive that it is older than alot of people do. The bible does say that the world is round spear mean round. and the the bible saying things like i will go to the end of the world doesnt mean they thought is was flat we still say that phrase today. and the bible knew that befor we did. the bible knew that there were spings in the bottom of the ocean and we didnt discover it until like 1970. Even if im wrong why would anyone want to live knowing that they are just going to die in that case i dont mean anything life is all for nothing. or you can beleve and get saved and you still dont have to live a sin free life thats why jesus died on the cross. you have nothing to lose if you beleve. and if you dont beleve you have nothing to gain even if the bible and god was not ture.



Paul Dowdy, Comment on New Scientist 45 Comments [6/30/2011 3:17:07 AM]
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Doctor Whom

Where did God come from?

6/30/2011 3:20:11 AM

Argle Bargle

Pascal's wager, the lamest form of apologetics.

6/30/2011 3:31:16 AM

David B.

"science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life"
"science says there has to be a cause and effect"
"science will never be able to make sence"
"science has no starting prosess for life"
"science dont even know how a cubit foot of space is created"


Nope, nope, nope, nope and nope. 0/5

"bible does say that the world is round spear mean round"
"bible saying things like i will go to the end of the world doesnt mean they thought is was flat"
"bible knew that there were spings in the bottom of the ocean"


Nope, nope and nope. 0/3

So you showed slightly less ignorance of the bible than you did about science. But only by virtue of saying less about it in the first place.

"spear mean round"

Spears are pointy, spheres are 'round'. Unfortunately the bible says 'circle', circles are flat.

6/30/2011 3:55:33 AM



Just because you don't understand science, Paul, doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor contain wildly unusual concepts.

6/30/2011 4:36:47 AM

Higgs Boson

What beautiful, flowing prose! Are you a writer? Because you really ought to consider it as a career.

6/30/2011 4:38:51 AM

A grait thinker

writton with treu stile with uniquely stylish speling and gramer good critticle sientific thinking i bileve World Net Daly offers books writton in this stile mabey by the saim auther i dont know either how air is was crated mabey its half a water partical. And gravety is just because the earth is like a grait big magnett and we have metal in our bodys and thats what holding us stoping us flying in space. I was nomanatted for a Nobble prize for my sienticfic works and shoeing pepole things that are true and all that kind of thing.

6/30/2011 4:41:24 AM

Mister Spak

Where did god come from? It doesn't make 'sence'.

6/30/2011 5:42:18 AM

Dr. Razark

Your grasp of science is as firm as your grasp of the English language.

6/30/2011 6:15:09 AM

pete

I've tried to write parodies of people as ignorant as Paul but I just can't pull it off.

6/30/2011 6:43:23 AM



science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life SO

You are wrong before your first sentence is completed. Try harder next time.

This is nutbunny

6/30/2011 6:52:36 AM

Doubting Thomas

Somehow, I don't get the logic leap which shows "We haven't proven how life originated" = "Praise God, the bible is 100% true and we'll have everlasting life if we're bathed in the blood of our savior Lord Jesus Christ!"

6/30/2011 6:53:15 AM

Jack Bauer

Magic, eh...

You know what your fellow fundies have to say about Harry Potter.

6/30/2011 7:10:42 AM

Brendan Rizzo

@ Doubting Thomas:

And that, coincidentally, is where people like Thomas Aquinas went wrong. His arguments made sense at the time, at the very least to suggest that some superior being was out there (especially because science was practically non-existent in his day, which is why the argument from design was acceptable back then) but he was completely ignorant of the fact that his "proofs" showed nothing about the behavior of such a deity. He automatically assumed that he had proved the Christian God, when his actual syllogisms do nothing of the sort. For some reason medieval people were completely unaware of "garbage in, garbage out". And that is where creationists get their faulty attempts at logic from. I wouldn't exactly blame Aquinas, since it wasn't entirely his fault, but still...

6/30/2011 7:12:32 AM

Pule Thamex

"science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life SO= where did humans, animals,plant life come from?"

Pick me. I know! It was Hocus Pocus Sky Guy.

I can see that life does have some meaning for you Paul, the meaning being:- If you live a life full of superstition and ignorance, all the while believing in an idiotic fantasy, then a magic fairy tale man will see you all right for eternity. And you'll live happily ever after. Albeit as a ghost. Hooray!

6/30/2011 7:38:31 AM

Skatepunk

"No one knows" is not an acceptable answer for you, Dowdy?

Some people simply believe there is no god, but no one knows how all life began. You think it is evil for one to wonder?

I don't know, either. I think God DID create the universe, but to be honest, there are many parts of the Bible I don't trust. The Bible was written by humans; therefore, it is inherently flawed.


6/30/2011 7:52:47 AM

Raised by Horses

"spear mean round"

HEART IS CRUNCHY

6/30/2011 7:56:53 AM

TGRwulf

Except we DO know most of the shit you mentioned BECAUSE of science.

6/30/2011 7:59:40 AM

TakoTaco

"[T]he bible knew that[...]"

No, stop. Right there. I'm tired of that phrase. The bible doesn't "know" anything; it's a dead, inanimate object. I can write "Paul Dowdy is an idiot" in permanent marker on my desk, but that doesn't mean my desk knows that. Knowledge implies that it has a mind of its own and knows for sure that "this is true", but no. It simply contains the information that you're stupid and, if you read between the lines, that I dislike you. Likewise, the bible contains a lot of information, and when you idiots decide to read into it, you read so much between the lines that you forget to read the lines themselves and find stuff that's not even there.

"But I'm not an idiot!"
Well, shit. Maybe not everything written down is true, because it was written by human beings with very little insight and the objects written on/in had no mind of their own to stop them and say "wait, we have no basis for that... now this we know."
The bible doesn't know anything, my table doesn't know anything, and there is no guarantee that any of the information in the bible is true.

6/30/2011 8:08:54 AM

Rebellion Dog

Easily the most entertaining post I have read here in monhts, i.e. I laughed my ass off.

6/30/2011 8:21:11 AM

Comrade Potatovich

"Even if im wrong why would anyone want to live knowing that they are just going to die in that case i dont mean anything life is all for nothing."
Why do they always have to be arrogant like this? I mean, it's always My worldview=The ultimate worldview.

6/30/2011 8:54:32 AM

that guy

"where did humans, animals,plant life come from?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

6/30/2011 9:12:19 AM

dionysus

science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life

Since when? Last time I checked abiogenesis was a legitimate field of study.

where did humans, animals,plant life come from?

Populations of unicellular organisms that eventually grouped into cohesive colonies and then into cohesive colonies with specialized "parts", and finally into what we'd call modern multicellular organisms.

If a scientist could tell me that he knows where everything came from then i would believe that the bible is fake.

Why would you trust a single person that claims to be an authority on EVERYTHING? I'd rather have a large (international) group of experts that collectively know everything and independently reach the same conclusion.

but science will never be able to make sence

Really now? Maybe to someone who's head is a plank of wood but to the rest of us it makes perfect sense. If it made no sense, your computer wouldn't work.

science has no starting prosess for life

Abiogenesis.

you cant take nothing and nothing and a little bit of nothing and put it togeter in a lab and creat anything

No, but you can convert energy into matter and as far as we know energy has always existed.

6/30/2011 9:19:26 AM

The Beatbox Beast

Although hard to read, this post is actually extremely revealing of the inner workings of a religious fundie's mind.

We've all argued with a fundie before, presented them with excellent proof against, say, the Biblical God (e.g. Problem of Evil), and watched with our jaws dropped as they invented illogical workarounds (all-powerful God can't give us free will while destroying evil) and refused to budge from that position.

As the last few lines of Paul Dowdy's comment show, this has less to do with actually thinking religion to be logical, and more to do with being unable to emotionally accept a Godless world. If, for example, they've had someone close to them die, they've avoided the pain by imagining them in Heaven, and to admit doubt in God is to have to face the pain of that death all over again.

I mean, very few atheists simply went from a believer to an atheist. Most of us started by praying to God for answers to our questions. We slowly crawled out to agnosticism, then felt safe becoming atheist. Our minds needed time to remove all of the God-based assumptions in our thoughts. Just something to keep in mind when arguing with a fundie.

6/30/2011 9:41:19 AM

The Beatbox Beast

And to answer his question of why we shouldn't believe in God even if he isn't real, I'd say its because I would rather face a problem than ignore it. If we don't face our problems (e.g. tragedy of death), we can never hope to even begin solve them (Transhumanism?)

Further, I was raised in a very restricting religion, and had I continued to believe I would have had to give up many pleasures in life, for an afterlife that isn't even real. I also would have had to continue to try and sync my beliefs with my interest in science, not to mention trying to sync my humanist values with arbitrary rules in the Bible.

6/30/2011 9:47:21 AM

rw23

The only thing which would have made this appalling attempt at an argument worse would be to have typed it in block capitals.

6/30/2011 9:56:07 AM
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