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We must distinguish between the long-term care required for animals kept in zoos and the temporary, emergency care required on the Ark. The animals’ comfort and healthy appearance were not essential for emergency survival during one stressful year, where survival was the primary goal.

Studies of nonmechanized animal care indicate that eight people could have fed and watered 16,000 creatures. The key is to avoid unnecessary walking around. As the old adage says, “Don’t work harder, work smarter.”

Therefore, Noah probably stored the food and water near each animal. Even better, drinking water could have been piped into troughs, just as the Chinese have used bamboo pipes for this purpose for thousands of years. The use of some sort of self-feeders, as is commonly done for birds, would have been relatively easy and probably essential. Animals that required special care or diets were uncommon and should not have needed an inordinate amount of time from the handlers. Even animals with the most specialized diets in nature could have been switched to readily sustainable substitute diets. Of course, this assumes that animals with specialized diets today were likewise specialized at the time of the Flood.

John Woodmorappe, Answers in Genesis 50 Comments [6/30/2011 3:18:32 AM]
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Wait, people talk about a year and 400 days... wasn't the flood just 40 days? Because, you know... the bible loves that number ever so much. (Although I must admit the only other instance of the number 40 I can think of is Moses leading the Jews through the desert for 40 years.)

6/30/2011 9:26:06 AM



No one ever bothers asking "WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING PLANTS".

Or the fish. Last I checked mixing freshwater with saltwater and screwing with the salinity of both has disastrous effects on the marine life therein. And speaking of salinity, why do freshwater lakes even exist if the world was one giant ocean?

6/30/2011 9:30:50 AM


Three decks of living quarters with but one, small window at the top equals dead cargo.

What other diets would have been available at sea other than, say, other members of the dying cargo?

6/30/2011 10:40:34 AM



I was thinking more of "What about the fish?" I mean, you know, in an earth flooded, I can imagine a lot of fish having a really hard fucking the salinity and pH and stuff of the water, among other forms of marine life, I'd bet.

6/30/2011 10:59:21 AM


WTF is this shit? Why don't you just say 'God did it by a miracle'? Why all the whargarbl about bird feeders and shit? Isn't a divine miracle good enough for you, John? Feeling a bit short in the faith department, are we?

6/30/2011 11:22:50 AM


There are far too many problems with the Noah fairy tale for any of it to have been true. It won't stop you retards from pushing it on unsuspecting children incapable of critical thinking, though. More's the shame.

6/30/2011 11:23:20 AM


Just stop. There is a never ending list of bullshit justifications you'll have to pull out of your ass to make this story even a little bit believable.

6/30/2011 11:34:09 AM


Anyway, what are the odds that all of the thousands of animals would survive for such a long time ? (keep in mind there were only two of each from every specie/kind/whatever)What about animals like insects or fish ? Don't tell me they were kept on the ark as well - there are thousands of fish and insect species. Also, don't tell me fish could remain in water - they did not have the chance to survive (temperature, all kinds of water blended etc...)

6/30/2011 12:05:46 PM


Of course they never seem to touch the fact that not even with modern technology could we build a wooden ship large enough to carry two of every animal. Or that no species can survive with only 2 individuals for very long. I believe the general rule of thumb is 50 for short term survival, 500 for long term.

6/30/2011 12:07:07 PM


@karana: now i wanna go troll an irl seminar wearing that sentence on a T shirt... disgruntled fundies and one beaten up troll guaranteed!

6/30/2011 12:33:27 PM

Old Viking

As others have suggested, poo-poo clean-up duty must have been a bitch.

6/30/2011 12:35:47 PM


I'll tell you what, John. Buy yourself a big boat, it can even be steel or fiberglass but should be made of wood for the sake of authenticity, then fill it with grass and twigs. Then go to sea for a year and get back to us. Don't forget to beg God to change your dietary requirements "temporarily".

6/30/2011 12:39:07 PM


"Even animals with the most specialized diets in nature could have been switched to readily sustainable substitute diets."

No, they couldn't have.

6/30/2011 1:01:46 PM

Insects. Several million species.

6/30/2011 3:38:40 PM


What a fucking idiot.

Theses people will do the most amazing mental gymnastics to rationalize their bronze age myths.

6/30/2011 3:49:54 PM


Why do I get the feeling as I read this that it was written by someone desperately trying to convince himself of something that he knows deep down is just not plausible?

6/30/2011 5:31:45 PM

You have to wonder what these people think the predators ate during the time after they were let out of the Ark but before prey numbers had time to rebuild. Take lions, for instance. Their prey species give birth to an average of one baby once a year. What the fuck did the lions eat after the flood?

6/30/2011 8:59:19 PM


Uhh, no. Just no. The story of Noah and the flood is just that, a story, a fable, a fairy tale.

6/30/2011 9:56:24 PM


You know, it would be easier and make much more sense to just say that Noah was all a myth and not real. Now you've just constructed and even more ridiculous narrative just to continue to protect the old, ridiculous, narrative.

6/30/2011 11:34:25 PM

So many times I go to a zoo and they insist on not feeding the animals because they follow a very specific diet..................but, well, there is always an "answer in Genesis"

7/2/2011 8:03:49 AM


Noah's ark is such a profoundly silly and ridiculous tale that if an adult not only believes in it, but actually makes up convoluted bullshit about it, they officially qualify as retarded in my book.

7/3/2011 2:47:59 PM


If the Ark existed there would be more than 16000 animals on it.

12/6/2011 1:04:42 PM


Ark bots, Noah and his family constructed little wooden ark bots to help them care for the animals.

Makes as much sense as anything creationists can come up with.

11/13/2014 8:06:23 PM

rubber chicken

@Mr Spak

"where did they put 400 days worth of shit from 20 million animals? "

They shovelled it into a big mound in the middle of the ocean where Columbus discovered it many years later

11/13/2014 10:49:39 PM


"Ark bots, Noah and his family constructed little wooden ark bots to help them care for the animals.

Makes as much sense as anything creationists can come up with. "

- And, of course, the Ark was also bigger on the inside, you know, like the TARDIS, so that all these Millions of different species, including all their food, could fit into a boat of rather limited scale.

I mean,if creationists insist on miracles, why are they even trying to find rational explanations for anything that doesn't make sense about their story?

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