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An Edmonton mother is outraged after members of a local church approached her daughter on a playground - offering a Bible verse, candy and a promise that if she memorized the passage they would give her more treats.

Kathleen Crowe says her nine-year-old daughter Angeline was playing in MacEwan park last week when she was approached by a couple from the Victory Christian Center who gave her candy and a Bible verse. Angeline was also promised more candy if she memorized the verse.

"What if the next person who offers her candy doesn't have the same intentions as the church? That's always a fear in the back of every parents mind," Crowe said.

City officials say Victory Christian Center has a permit allowing it to host activities like crafts and singing, but not for handling out religious materials.

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Church representatives declined to be interviewed, but in a statement said: "The program is based on something churches have been doing for more than 20 years throughout Canada and the U.S. ... Our team was given the OK to do this and that's what was done."

Victory Christian Center, Global Edmonton 60 Comments [7/27/2011 3:23:09 AM]
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nutbunny

"The program is based on something churches have been doing for more than 20 years throughout Canada and the U.S. ... Our team was given the OK to do this and that's what was done."

What, luring kiddies away with promises of sweets?

Stranger Danger mean anything to you guys?

7/27/2011 3:43:00 AM

Anon2

I wonder how the churches would react would somebody approach childen on playgrounds and offer them candy for memorizing a koran sura, or offer them candy for memorizing statements from Mao's 'little red book'.

Bet anybody that the churches would jump up immediately as if stung by an adder?

7/27/2011 3:58:08 AM



That's terrifyingly creepy...

7/27/2011 4:03:30 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


7/27/2011 4:13:59 AM

TGRwulf

If you idiots can't see what the fuck is wrong with that then you should not be around kids at all!

7/27/2011 4:29:35 AM

Nathan

Catholic church protects pedophiles. Christian churches give candy to playground kids. Hmm...

7/27/2011 4:43:39 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

So the church wants kids to talk to strangers offering candy?! That's a new low, even for them.

7/27/2011 5:01:09 AM

Mister Spak

If you memorize this koran verse I'll give you some candy . . .

7/27/2011 5:05:47 AM

Raised by Horses


7/27/2011 5:15:26 AM



Hey little girl. I’ve got a present for you in my van. Do you want to see? It’s a Bible!

Oh, yeah, and some candy.

But just come into my van and check it out.


7/27/2011 5:32:02 AM

dionysus

That's religion for ya: indoctrinate them while they're still to young to object and use trickery to reel them in. This is not only exceedingly creepy, it's also desperate. You don't see atheists luring kids away and making them read "The God Delusion" and yet we're still the fastest growing group.

7/27/2011 5:50:00 AM

Rapax Pringer

Now this is just sickening. Or pathetic. I can't tell which.

7/27/2011 5:52:08 AM

Agahnim

Read about this a few days ago and it's pretty creepy that the concept of not talking to strangers (let alone accepting candy from them) is completely alien to them.

Oh, and it's probably worth mentioning that when I first read about it, it was pointed out that the mother has been misquoted as saying "good intentions" instead of the more accurate "intentions" that she actually said. If she is in fact implying that their intentions weren't good, then she's right.

7/27/2011 6:07:07 AM

Xotan

The mother was right to be angry. For all she knew the child could have been in danger from perverts. I mean look at the child abuse that christians have been committing and that even now is responsible for the Papal Nuncio having to leave Ireland. You simply can't trust anyone who says they are a christian these days. Approaching children without parents' consent is out of order. And strangers giving sweets to children is the classic public perception of the pervert's approach, no?

7/27/2011 6:13:28 AM

Dr. Shrinker

Fundamentalists targeting children and bribing people to accept Jesus, nothing new here. At least this time they are offering something tangible, as opposed to a reward in the hereafter.

7/27/2011 6:15:41 AM

LDM

Check out the evangelism forum at Rupture Retards. handing out candy with bibles is a hugely popular tactic, and many of them see absolutely nothing wrong with "witnessing" to children. They believe the parents will read the bible with the kids, and the whole family will be "saved", thus earning them multiple God points.

They also love to hand out Chick tracks to trick or treaters.

Of course they'll all cry persecution when they see this.

7/27/2011 7:05:33 AM

Doubting Thomas

It's bad enough that fundies think they have to try to brainwash everyone they meet, but doing this to the children of total strangers on the playground is just totally creepy. If someone did this to my kid, I'd want to punch their lights out. Just being a Christian doesn't mean that someone isn't a pedophile, and these days probably means they're more likely to be.

And if an atheist group went to the playground of a Christian school and offered candy to kids to say that God isn't real, Christians would be totally outraged and calling for them to be thrown in jail.

7/27/2011 7:06:09 AM

Passerby

Converting the masses is like a day at Six Flags amusement park. Except all six of the flags are red, the candy is not recommended, and getting on the rides may be the last thing you ever do.

That is basic "Shit you don't try with kids if you have two brain cells to rub together and a healthy fear of prison."

7/27/2011 7:20:09 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Kathleen, I am sorry to say that the churches intentions are just as bad and more insidious than the "next person's".

Kudos to you for standing up.

7/27/2011 7:21:46 AM

ChakatBlackstar

That is wrong on so many levels...I don't even know where to begin.

7/27/2011 7:31:33 AM

aaa

This is pretty tame stuff.

7/27/2011 7:38:17 AM

D Laurier

Looks like the peadophiles have a new tactic...

7/27/2011 7:52:02 AM

Gloria

So, yes, it was out of line to proselytise to a child without getting her mother's permission.

That said, how stupid do you have to be not to realise that when you send your child to a place called "Victory Christian Center" that someone might try to convert your child? Yes, I saw the thing about the permit, but use a little common sense. I get the impression the permit only comes into play because they gave her the bible verse on paper (that is, religious materials, as opposed to just religious opinions.) Proselytising is a risk you take when you go to religious organisations.

As for the stranger danger thing...I've always found it a bit stupid. When I started transporting myself around the city, strangers who could tell me the time, or give directions, or who would give me bus money, were a big help, and I was not much older than Angeline. (Strangers who attempted to abduct me were conspicuously absent.) Angeline is far more likely to be victimised by a child molester in her own family than by a stranger in the park. She is probably more likely to be killed in a car crash on the way to the park than abducted and murdered by strangers because she's been pre-conditioned to accept candy from anyone and everyone who offers it (because nine-year-olds are all stupid and have no character judgement or risk assesment abilities.)

Some silly, but well-intentioned church people came out to try and convert the kids. The girl realised she could get free goodies for accepting a piece of paper, which she could then easily throw out, and she took the oppourtunity for sugar. She may have ruined her appetite, but other than that, not a lot happened. Excuse me if I opt out of the moral outrage.

7/27/2011 8:14:18 AM

Lucilius

"'What if the next person who offers her candy doesn't have the same intentions as the church? That's always a fear in the back of every parents mind,' Crowe said."

I'm pretty sure the church's intention is essentially the same, though perhaps without physical contact.

7/27/2011 8:16:39 AM

StoneSpiral

These people are child predators. I consider them the same as I do pedophiles. Because they do NOT have the child's best interest in mind. Just their own.

@Gloria I don't think the girl was at Victory Church event. It says she was just at a park and the couple was *from* the church.

7/27/2011 8:21:01 AM
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