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Now , on the Facebook page attributed to him, ( which has since been removed ) , Mr. Breivik describes himself as a "Christian" and a "conservative." It listed his interests as hunting, body building and freemasonry. The latter is definitely NOT Christian , and like Catholicism , as well as all the other non-biblical religious doctrines , it is diametrically opposed to the true Word of God!


As for his actions , obviously a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a camp or blow up buildings. That's not what a Christian does. So just because a person claims to be a "Christian," or even believes that they are , does not necessarily make them so.


Pastor Mike , Pastor Mike's Blog 80 Comments [8/3/2011 3:30:49 AM]
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Cid Highwind

Oh, but if he had claimed to be an atheist, you'd be jerking off on it now, using it to claim how it shows that we atheists are immoral, evil, maybe even sub-human beings. And what about those "true Christians" who shoot and kill doctors of abortion clinics? And what about those "true Christians" who are in jail for various crimes? Let me guess, all of them aren't "true Christians" either, right?

8/3/2011 3:33:18 AM

nutbunny

As for his actions , obviously a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a camp or blow up buildings.

Tell Breivik that

8/3/2011 3:38:34 AM

knoblet

Actually, to be a Christian you need only accept Jesus as your saviour. You don't even need to have read the bible...

8/3/2011 3:39:27 AM

C_V


well, Mike, I bet we could pull out a few incidences in your past and claim you're not a christian either.

8/3/2011 3:39:39 AM

Phed

He's also not a Scotsman.

8/3/2011 4:19:22 AM

Passerby

And yet these people see no contradiction in calling Obama a Muslim and at the same time a radical follower of once-controversial Christian preacher reverend Wright.

Once more, defining beliefs for others and then redefining them on a whim. Then when that gets too hard to keep up with resorting telling us it's too deep to truly understand without being part of the 'in' crowd. Guys like Mike are the damned pretentious hipsters of the religious world.

8/3/2011 4:21:33 AM



a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a church [sic] or blow up buildings

Scott Roeder
Paul Hill
Eric Rudolph

You were saying?

8/3/2011 4:23:28 AM

Szena

And if he had claimed to be a Muslim you'd be saying it was proof that Islam was a violent religion out to take over the world. If he had claimed to be an atheist you'd be saying it was proof that atheism was immoral.

It's funny how furiously the fundies are scrambling to push this guy out of their camp.

8/3/2011 4:30:47 AM

Raised by Horses

"Not my kind of religion", huh? Well, to a lot of people, like Breivik, Christianity is that kind of religion. And that's the problem with religion and religious scripture: People can make whatever they want of it. Objective morality, my ass.

8/3/2011 4:45:24 AM

Anon2

I was once invited to an upper-class event where a high-ranking politician and businessman gave an introduction to freemasonry.

One of the most important points in his talk was: Atheists are NOT welcome in a freemason lodge. All believers are welcome, but you need to have a religious belief. Otherwise, you cannot become a member.

The scandinavian lodges are even more rigid: They ONLY accept christians.

So anybody who claims that Breivik was no christian because he was a freemason: This claim is sheer nonsense.

8/3/2011 4:55:09 AM

TakoTaco

But isn't the only important thing that you believe? Believe in Jesus and get into Heaven, no matter what sins you have performed and all that. Doesn't that mean that by believing he is a Christian, Breivik is a Christian?

8/3/2011 4:55:25 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

So you're perfectly content to label other religions by the worst among them but the moment one of your own does anything wrong all we hear is the no true Scotsman crap. As amusing as it is watching you flap around like a fish out of water it's getting old.

8/3/2011 5:00:17 AM



I bet he put sugar on his porridge, too. The bastard.

8/3/2011 5:22:24 AM

Quasirodent

Y'know, I don't TOTALLY disagree here, in a sense. If people were to simply follow the positive messages of the religion rather than zealously worshiping books and figures, they probably WOULD be much nicer, kinder, and less prone to violent acts...
However, there's never any accounting for insanity.

8/3/2011 5:22:56 AM

dionysus

Last I read the Bible it said that everyone was a sinner, that includes Christians. In fact, that was the whole reason for that Jesus loophole. If doing bad things (sinning) makes you not a Christian, then NOBODY is a Christian.

8/3/2011 5:23:37 AM

Mister Spak

As for his actions , obviously a true Muslim would not go out suicide bomb or fly airplanes into buildings. That's not what a Muslim does. So just because a person claims to be a "Muslim," or even believes that they are , does not necessarily make them so.

8/3/2011 5:24:14 AM

Sadhuman

True Scottsman away. And you know what it's fine to boot him out of your camp and say that you don't agree with his actions, that's cool in fact I would be more worried if you didn't. But here comes the kicker you can't go around judging other groups by their worst members either. We don't judge you by lunatics you don't judge us by them, see how that works.

Also what is with the Catholics aren't Christians stuff? You are a Christian when you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and came to Earth to cleanse us of our sins...that simple. All the extra stuff is fluff. Freemasons are normally a Christian group as well, why is it you are happy to have them counted in a census as being the same religion (so the numbers of Christians is higher) but other then that want nothing to do with them?

8/3/2011 5:48:31 AM

Zeus Almighty

Wrong. According to your stupid book all one has to do to be a member of the Christie Club is invite J.C. into his heart and profess his faith, which that douchebag in Norway did in a very public way.
That's it. I'm pretty sure that you, as a mere mortal, declaring who is or isn't a Christian is tantamount to judging. So, see you in Hell ... Oh, wait, Hell doesn't exist, so never mind.

8/3/2011 5:50:09 AM

Doubting Thomas

...and freemasonry. The latter is definitely NOT Christian , and like Catholicism , as well as all the other non-biblical religious doctrines , it is diametrically opposed to the true Word of God!

Read Chick tracts much?

obviously a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a camp or blow up buildings. That's not what a Christian does. So just because a person claims to be a "Christian," or even believes that they are , does not necessarily make them so.

In other words, "Yay, we get a free ride because we can just say that any Christian who does something bad wasn't a true Christian!" Why does this never work for all the "Hitler/Stalin was an atheist" claims?

8/3/2011 5:57:18 AM

emau99

...freemasonry...like Catholicism...is diametrically opposed to the true Word of God!

Catholics ARE Christian, Mike. You may not agree with them, and you may not like them, but if they accept Christianity, they're Christian, and you're out of luck.

obviously a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a camp or blow up buildings. That's not what a Christian does.

No true Scotsman fallacy.

Again--if they accept Christianity, they're Christian.

So just because a person claims to be a "Christian," or even believes that they are , does not necessarily make them so.

So here's the $64,000 question, Mike:

Are you a Christian?

Consider your answer carefully.

8/3/2011 6:30:51 AM

Philbert McAdamia

a true Christian would not go out and shoot people in a camp or blow up buildings

The wee laddie 'tis nae worth a hoot, Mon.

8/3/2011 6:39:05 AM

FedCoder

Sometimes I wonder if the fundies are playing logical fallacy bingo and they have to be referenced on FSTDT to score...

8/3/2011 6:39:21 AM

Alleyprowler

There is no objective test for Christianity, or any other religion for that matter. If someone says they are Christian, then I have to take them at their word. I can't read minds.

8/3/2011 6:58:52 AM

Panz

I love how they're desperately trying to distance themselves from him...ya know, everyone realises he was fucked in the head. The way you guys try to wash your hands of him is what's bringing the religious aspect into play.
Kinda like how all the Fox pundits and christians went rabid trying to distance themselves from the killer of Dr. Tiller

8/3/2011 7:20:08 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Do some research. The Scandinavian branch of the Freemasons only admits Christians. And don't other fundamentalists (such as those on Free Republic) disagree with your assessment of whether or not Breivik was a Christian because they approve of his actions? That last paragraph is the No True Scotsman fallacy distilled into its purest form.

8/3/2011 7:25:43 AM
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