Well, it is expected that a hate group wouldn't consider itself anything else other than fine.
When others label your organisation a hate group, and people believe them, I don't have a problem with people interpreting the actions of your (or any other) hate group as the actions of a hate group.
That's because they're hate groups.
8/3/2011 3:46:18 AM
Groups like Focus on the Family have fought tooth and nail to restigmatize and keep a certain segment of the population from obtaining civil rights all on the basis of their non-heterosexual orientation. That sounds pretty hateful to me. Does the SPLC do anything like that?
If groups like Focus on the Family become stigmatized because of their recent labeling as a hate group, then they damn well deserve it, as far as I'm concerned. If you don't like being called hateful bigots, then maybe you should stop being hateful bigots.
8/3/2011 4:11:24 AM
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
If the shoe fits...
8/3/2011 4:50:38 AM
"Who then deserves the title of 'hate group,' Focus on the Family or the Southern Poverty Law Center? Who has been guilty of demonizing others and spreading hurtful, inaccurate information? Whose actions and words have been hateful? "
Focus on the Family of course. The record speaks for itself.
8/3/2011 5:22:30 AM
What Mister Spak said. SPLC is against hate groups, which is a good thing. Focus on the Family, on the other hand, is a hate group, which isn't a good thing.
8/3/2011 5:28:59 AM
Oh, I see. It's that "you're intolerant of my intolerance so that makes you intolerant" line of reasoning. What you don't realize is that it's okay to stigmatize organizations and people that have earned it through their actions causing harm to others. But by your logic, we could say YOU'RE part of a hate group since you just defamed and stigmatized the SPLC.
Who then deserves the title of 'hate group,' Focus on the Family or the Southern Poverty Law Center? Who has been guilty of demonizing others and spreading hurtful, inaccurate information? Whose actions and words have been hateful? The record speaks for itself.
Yes, it indeed does. FOTF has tried to prevent people from getting equal rights and SPLC is simply calling them out on it. I think that immediately shows who the real hate group is.
8/3/2011 5:34:34 AM
You're spotless reasoning has made me see the error of my hateful ways.
And the KKK was just a group of nice white men looking out for the future of pure little white boys and girls. OK, sometimes they had to deny rights to the blacks and browns, and, well, lynch a nigger or two.* But they did it all out of love, not hate.
* Oh, an why don't Klan groups get them some hangings on any more? Because the SPLC fucked them out of their money, and buildings and militia compounds in court, leaving them a hollow shell of impotent rage. Yay!
I guess this was a roundabout way of saying that you, Michael Brown, are a total fucktard with the reasoning skills of a 3-year-old.
8/3/2011 5:44:51 AM
Which group is fighting to prevent equal rights for certain people? That's where the real hate lies.
8/3/2011 5:52:07 AM
I'll let a group's actions speak for them, and judging by the actions of Focus on the Family, yeah, they're a Hate Group.
8/3/2011 5:57:50 AM
Yet it is the leaders of the SPLC who are either irresponsibly attacking other fine organizations, or worse still, knowingly defaming them. Who then deserves the title of 'hate group,'
Right -- never mind the groups demanding supremacy for their own people and trashing the rights of everyone else: it's the SPLC who is being mean by disagreeing with that push for supremacy.
It's like the standard conservative line about how gay-bashing (assault, murder, rape, torture) is nowhere near as bad as "Christian-bashing" (public criticism).
8/3/2011 6:12:52 AM
Eh, well when we take a look at the emperor marching through the streets in his 'new clothes', those who agree with his oppressive policies will insist he's fashionable. The SPLC has often been like the little boy who points out that the emperor is in fact marching naked. I don't see what's hateful about that. If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
I'm sure the KKK and the neo-Nazi groups take your same position.
8/3/2011 6:36:43 AM
A)"Who then deserves the title of 'hate group,' Focus on the Family or the Southern Poverty Law Center?
B)Who has been guilty of demonizing others and spreading hurtful, inaccurate information?
C)Whose actions and words have been hateful? The record speaks for itself."
A) Focus on the Family
B) Focus on the Family
C) Focus on the Family
8/3/2011 6:47:15 AM
It isn't defamation if it's true.
8/3/2011 7:20:23 AM
Is this a trick question?
8/3/2011 7:29:08 AM
"The record speaks for itself"
Yes. Yes it does.
8/3/2011 7:29:50 AM
Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis
Quick to judge, quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand
8/3/2011 8:19:51 AM
Yea, I'll go with Focus on the Family for $1000 please Alex.
8/3/2011 8:30:14 AM
The irony! It burns!
8/3/2011 8:39:01 AM
Focus on the Family is pro-family; only in so far as it fits their incredibly narrow definition of family. Any thing outside that definition do they not only want to legitimize, they want to destroy.
Single parent families? Destroy
Child-less couple families? Destroy
Same-sex couple families? Destroy
Those are all real families, unless you actually belong to Focus on the Family.
8/3/2011 8:56:55 AM
AFA and FOTF both stigmatise homosexuals and generally also anyone non Christian. The SPLC does not.
8/3/2011 8:57:26 AM
In my overall experience, if an organization has the name "Family" in it (other than the rock band Sly and the Family Stone), they generally teach things I wouldn't want my kids to think of as 'facts'.
8/3/2011 9:26:23 AM
Whose actions and words have been hateful? The record speaks for itself.
Indeed it does, and it speaks volumes about the kind of hateful garbage propagated by the sanctimonious bigots at Focus On The Family and American Family Association. You truly are a clueless fuck.
8/3/2011 9:29:49 AM
I Read About The Afterlife
Focus On The Family. Definitely.
8/3/2011 10:40:15 AM
Much of this hinges upon your faulty definition of "fine organizations."
8/3/2011 12:05:12 PM
Oh for the Good Old Days, when nasty little jerkwads like this one could just scream, "Blasphemer!, or Heretic!" and an angry mob would appear, just like that! /sarcasm
8/3/2011 12:54:59 PM