Quote# 83047

Now discrimination today is always a bad word a hundred percent of the time, but it simply means making a choice between or making a difference between. And discrimination means I am going to discriminate and say I can tell a difference between a Christian and a non-Christian and therefore I only want Christians working on my church staff. I can tell the difference between someone who says they're homosexual and someone who says they're straight. A secular organization has a tough time discriminating, but a church needs to have the right to discriminate.

This is a biblical issue because Jesus has an entire parable in Matthew 20: 1-15 where he talks about a landowner who had a vineyard who went out to hire folks to work in his vineyard. And as he hired them he make a contract with them that said you'll work for this much or whatever and throughout the day he hired people and he made individual contracts with them and at the end of the day when he is paying them all off, the guy who got hired first said "wait a minute, that's not fair" and [the landowner] said "time out, we had a contract, didn't we? You agreed to work for a certain wage ... you should have gone down the street and found somebody else to work for that would have paid you different, but you agreed to work for that wage." And Jesus makes a great statement in Matthew 20: 15 where he says "don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?"

Now that's a great statement and that's a statement Jesus teaches to show the inviolability of contracts between employers and employees. That's why the government is not supposed to get involved in this stuff anyway. Government shouldn't be involved in employment contracts period.

David Barton, Right Wing Watch 47 Comments [8/7/2011 2:39:29 PM]
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Oh, David, you moron. That is not what that parable is about. Now just STFU and go away.

8/7/2011 2:41:46 PM

Shai Hulud

If government cannot get involved in employee contracts can I add a small print saying that I will pay nothing and get away with not paying wages?

8/7/2011 2:42:34 PM


Funny. You quote the end of the parable. Literally the end of it.

I think you're also missing the point there, Davey.

8/7/2011 3:05:56 PM

Comrade Potatovich

Jesus Christ: Free Market Capitalist.

8/7/2011 3:08:25 PM


Jesus was talking about heaven, you dumbass. He wasn't advocating anarcho-capitalism. But hey, cherry-pick away; everyone else does it. Christians treat The Bible as if it's a giant "choose your own adventure" novel.

8/7/2011 3:23:14 PM


Missing the point of parables, part 1298473140174093.

Also, any idiot can tell the difference between someone who says "I'm gay" and someone who says "I'm straight." The difference is that they're saying different things. Not rocket science.

8/7/2011 3:53:23 PM


In yet another testament to the remarkable truth contained in the Bible, Jesus was apparently a Friedman disciple a full 1900 years before Milty was even born!

8/7/2011 4:00:52 PM


And Jesus makes a great statement in Matthew 20: 15 where he says "don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?"

That's not what that passage means and St. Peter is going to inform Brother David of that when he slams the gates of Heaven closed in his face.

Sorry Davie, better luck next time.

Oh wait, you only get one time, then your Jesus fucks you over for all eternity.

Tough luck.

8/7/2011 4:01:51 PM

Old Viking

Parables are supposed to make a point more easily understandable. It didn't work for David.

8/7/2011 4:10:50 PM


Contracts < laws
Hell yes government should get involved!

8/7/2011 4:16:59 PM


If it was up to this asshole and others like him feudalism and slavery would still be the rage as long as they made the land owner or factory owner money.

8/7/2011 4:37:01 PM

Raised by Horses

But if someone in America decides to run an establishment that won't hire Christians, guess what'll happen?

8/7/2011 5:11:22 PM


@Raised by Horses

One word: persecution.

8/7/2011 5:59:51 PM


{sigh} Jesus wasn't talking about wages; he was talking about those who think they're entitled to greater glory/largesse because they've been lifelong followers, and not those who converted relatively late in life. He was taking aim at the "holier-than-thou" syndrome infecting many of the contemporaneous Pharisees (considering Rabbinical Judaism is an offshoot of Pharisaism, they definitely got better).

Basically, the initial workers weren't complaining about what they got, but the seeming unfairness that those who joined in the work late weren't paid equally less for their lesser amount of time worked. The closest economic analog I can think of would be that the earlier workers are complaining about minimum wage requirements.

8/7/2011 6:23:24 PM


Here's you.




Here's the point.

8/7/2011 6:56:31 PM

TB Tabby

Sounds like you'd prefer this version of Jesus.

8/7/2011 8:42:29 PM


I don't think that's the point of that parable at all. "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?" is a better translation. And it kind of begs the question, what constitutes "mine own"?

8/7/2011 9:02:34 PM


I don't think the vineyard owner would find many labourers willing to work for him on the morning of the next day.

8/7/2011 10:53:28 PM


I can tell the difference between someone who says they're homosexual and someone who says they're straight.

By that I take it you you mean you have a collection of mental stereotypes. I wonder if Ted Haggard would have slipped under your gaydar?

8/7/2011 11:39:24 PM

Pule Thamex

"...a church needs to have the right to discriminate."

Too true. Not only that, but a true religious person, which means Christian, specially a true Christian, needs to discriminate sexually, racially, religiously, and in practically any other way they can think of, as long as it's to the detriment of others or someone. You have a holy duty to persecute. Your God-given mission is to be a bigot. God expects you to be a wanton savage and to glory in your ignorance. Amongst the most holy practices of holy practices you can ever do is to lie. Dishonesty brings you closer to God and Jesus. Also, if you're an employer, God wants you to mistreat employees as and when you you see fit, specially if you can save a penny or two. God so loves money, so it's best you keep on His good side, not that He has one. Do it. Or you'll be tortured for eternity.

8/8/2011 12:37:45 AM


Defending discrimination and employee abuse at the same time. So, how much are you getting paid for this shit and have you ever worked anywhere else except daddy's little company?

8/8/2011 1:57:41 AM

Shanya Almafeta

Surprised that the Tea Party isn't called the Matthew 20 Movement, upon reading it.

8/8/2011 2:37:59 AM

Dan Onymous


a) You misunderstood the parable.

b) Your choice of what to do with your money extends to not hiring for a position if you can't obey the law, it doesn't extend to breaking the law.

Jesus also talked about what to do about the laws of where you live...

8/8/2011 3:25:23 AM

Jamaican Castle


I think you have those backwards. Unless you mean to say he's high.

8/8/2011 3:53:50 AM


Since a contract is, by definition, a promise which is legally enforceable, the government is already involved.

QED, bitch.

8/8/2011 4:46:07 AM

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