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[The Obama administration announced that health insurers will be required to cover birth control and counseling for battered women.]

-"Is the White House out of their mind? Does the West Wing not know what the left wing is doing? We’re $14 trillion in debt and now we’re going to cover birth control, breast pumps, counseling for abuse? Are we going to do pedicures and manicures as well?"

-"Why in the world would you encourage your daughters, and your granddaughters, and whoever else comes behind you to have unrestricted, unlimited sex anytime, anywhere and that, somehow if you prevent pregnancy, that somehow you’ve helped them. I would submit to you that uncontrolled sexual behavior is what is harming our girls, not our lack of birth control — which by the way they don’t seem interested in taking anyway. Having a baby is not the worst thing. I think having multiple sex partners without any kind of restraint or responsibility is much more damning, why would you support that?"

–“In Red China, they have this down to a science. The local health care centers make women come in every month to be examined to see if they’ve had their cycle to make sure they are taking their medication and if they have a baby they are roundly punished, if they have an extra baby that baby is aborted. That is the control we’re moving toward.

–“I’d like to say that the morning-after pill has other detrimental affects. In Great Britain where it was legalized first, there was an outbreak of older men taking young girls in for the morning-after pill so they wouldn’t get caught and so there are no consequences.

Sandy Rios, Think Progress 97 Comments [8/7/2011 2:51:12 PM]
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Ashar

"Having a baby is not the worst thing."

Tell that to rape victims

"I think having multiple sex partners without any kind of restraint or responsibility is much more damning"

Taking the pill does not necessarily mean "unrestrained" sex. Why are you so determined to reduce women to brood mare status?

Also, why are you so afraid of sex?

"In Great Britain where it was legalized first, there was an outbreak of older men taking young girls in for the morning-after pill so they wouldn’t get caught and so there are no consequences.”

According to Wikipedia, it was the USA who first released the pill, given you didn't get that right, I have doubts about the second.

But by all means, provide evidence if you can....

8/7/2011 3:00:44 PM

shadkat

Oh my God, I saw this article earlier this week and it pissed me right the fuck off. Pedicures and manicures = birth control! Right.

8/7/2011 3:00:52 PM

Comrade Potatovich

"Red China"? What is this, 1961?

8/7/2011 3:01:14 PM

derpmaster

"Red China"? What is this, 1961?

They wish.

8/7/2011 3:33:08 PM



I think you're lying Sandy.

8/7/2011 3:37:32 PM

Badfish

Yeah...It was my understanding that the punishment for having more than one child in an country of over 1 billion is a fine. Devastating for a poor family but not the same as a forced abortion.

Having multiple sex partners is worse than an unplanned pregnancy?!

What does "older men taking young girls in for the morning-after pill so they wouldn't get caught and there are no consequences" mean?
Is she talking about rape? Because that's not how rape works. Rape isn't about sex or worrying about consequences, it's about pain and inflicting it on someone. Goddamn, this woman is dumb!

8/7/2011 3:38:47 PM

dionysus

Birth control costs WAY less than having the government take care of unwanted offspring, you know, the ones conservatives demand be born but then refuse to do anything to help afterward. How you can be against the government helping poor women (and other women too) while simultaneously saving money is beyond me. Somehow you fundies manage to make a win/win situation out to be the end of the fucking world.

8/7/2011 3:38:53 PM

Goosey

@shadkat
Pedicures and manicures = birth control! Right.

I'm more worried about the implication that pedicures and manicures are on the same level as abuse counselling, myself.

8/7/2011 3:44:44 PM

Ashar

--double post--

8/7/2011 3:45:12 PM

clockworkgirl21

Just one question...would insurance also have to cover conseling for abused men?

8/7/2011 3:47:42 PM



Sandy, by avoiding unwanted pregnancies, we'll save more resources and reduce abortions. The world would be a much happier place with more birth control.
I'm asexual, and I have no problem with paying for this.

8/7/2011 3:57:36 PM

The_L

How the FUCK is gynecological service and abuse counseling in any way equivalent to such frivolities as manicures? Seriously, Sandy, what were you smoking?

Sandy has several things she needs to do before I am willing to accept her message:

1. Prove that abuse counseling, STD checkups, and gynecological exams are in any way frivolous. (This one's a pretty tall order.)

2. Prove that having multiple sex partners over the course of one's lifetime requires one to abrogate sexual responsibility.

3. Prove that having multiple sex partners over the course of one's lifetime is psychologically damaging in any way.

4. Prove that allowing women access to birth control is the same as forcing women to not have babies.

5. Explain why you are worried about older men having sex with younger women. Unless the girls are underage, I frankly don't see how two consenting people of differing ages having sex is in any way a problem.

8/7/2011 3:58:11 PM

derpmaster

Oh no a tiny little sparkle of progress. Somebody stop these lunatics!

8/7/2011 3:59:44 PM

Old Viking

I'm concerned about the observation regarding people coming behind me to have unrestricted sex.

8/7/2011 4:03:35 PM

Philbert McAdamia

> if they have an extra baby that baby is aborted. That is the control we’re moving toward.” <

OK, then. Let's start with fundie families, bible belters, quiver fullers.

8/7/2011 4:05:15 PM

Yownanymous

Please, please kill yourselves so we can enter the next stage of civilisation all the quicker. It's gonna happen anyway, but why make it so agonisingly slow? And no-one's forcing these women to abort; they're just having the choice made available to them. BUT GOD FORBID THEY HAVE RIGHTS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE MAKING SANDWICHES AND BABIES. I seriously have no patience left for your sort. Just die now. You're holding evolution back.

8/7/2011 4:09:56 PM

LAchlan

Translates to.... "People are having sex and I'm NOT HAPPY about it!"

8/7/2011 4:10:54 PM

Osiris

Having a baby is not the worst thing. I think having multiple sex partners without any kind of restraint or responsibility is much more damning, why would you support that?"
According to just the base, minimal projections at Baby Cost Calculator the cost of a baby for just one year is $10,158. Compared to the cost it takes to raise unwanted babies vs the cost it takes to provide free services that would prevent unplanned babies, and it's common fiscal sense, not that either Republics or Democrats would know anything about that.

Also know the best way to cut costs is? Audit and reduce military spending. Want to know how much the military spends every year? So would I, because the military is audit exempt and they just spend money on whatever the hell they want.

8/7/2011 4:13:14 PM

PWEOTWEB

If anyone ever deserved to get raped, it's Sandy Rios. I hope she gets knocked up so she'll have to deal with an unwanted pregnancy.

8/7/2011 4:26:14 PM

Cy

Having even one sex partner without responsibility is a bad thing. Good thing that sex, whatever kind it is and however many people you're having it with, doesn't actually diminish a person's ability to be responsible.

"there was an outbreak of older men taking young girls in for the morning-after pill so they wouldn’t get caught" - because taking young girls to get the morning after pill and thus flaunting the fact you've been raping them to the dispensing staff is SO much less likely to get them arrested than, say, wearing a condom. If your assertions require people to act like complete idiots, they're probably not true. (I wonder whether Sandy would prefer that young girls who were raped became pregnant and had to either have an abortion or give birth to their rapist's baby.)

8/7/2011 4:43:00 PM

Raised by Horses

It's impossible to hammer any sense into these people, isn't it?

Ah, well. At least I can comfort myself with the thought that's still possible to just plain hammer them.

8/7/2011 5:44:39 PM

meatwad52

If only all this was true...

8/7/2011 5:46:39 PM

Percy Q. Shunn

@PWEOTWEB:

That's a horrible thing to say; no way does a child deserve to have that cunt Sandy Rios as a mother.

8/7/2011 5:53:41 PM

John

We’re $14 trillion in debt and now we’re going to cover birth control

So you'd rather the woman go to the emergency room as an indigent to have a baby she doesn't want so we all get stiffed for the cost of the delivery and supporting the mother and baby on welfare to save a few bucks for birth control pills? Use common sense, for crissake!

Why in the world would you encourage your daughters, and your granddaughters, and whoever else comes behind you to have unrestricted, unlimited sex anytime, anywhere

I have news for you. Simple human biology encourages people to have sex. Lack of birth control is not a deterrent, and trying to use an innocent, living baby as a potential "punishment" for having sex is cruel, stupid and ineffective. That's why the US has twice the teen pregnancy rates of Europe: their kids use birth control!

8/7/2011 5:54:56 PM

Agahnim

This seems more like CSTDT material.

8/7/2011 6:08:17 PM
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