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It is reasonable to assume that crime of various types would increase if homosexuals are allowed into the military. It is also reasonable to assume more child molestation would take place on military outposts. At present most military families regard base housing as a relatively safe place to raise their children. If homosexuals are allowed into the military, base housing may no longer be perceived as safe for children. If the morale of military families collapses, the moral of the armed forces as a whole will likewise be devastated (p. 88).

--Gays & Guns: The Case Against Homosexuals In The Military by John Eidsmoe

John Eidsmoe, Right Wing Watch 68 Comments [8/15/2011 5:23:54 AM]
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The Watcher

Hasn't happened so far...

8/15/2011 5:28:45 AM

Passerby

No, that's not reasonable at all. Especially seeing as you retards just can't seem to grasp the fact that homosexuals have always been in your military and aren't undermining it.

8/15/2011 5:34:14 AM

meh

Uh.. when did the term 'homosexual' become synonymous with 'pedophile'? I guarantee that there are far more straight pedos than gay seeing as how, you know, only a small percentage of the world population is actually gay.

8/15/2011 5:36:52 AM

Mister Spak

But what about the vicious killer homos like the ones Hitler had in the SS? How will we kill our filthy enemies with extreme prejudice without them?

8/15/2011 5:38:06 AM

Anon2

The usual smearing lie that homosexuality allegedly equals pedophilia. Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with pedophilia.

When you really want to protect the children, taking into account the gruesome events which came to light in the last years: Throw out the military chaplains. Especially the catholic.

8/15/2011 5:42:59 AM

Vermicious Knid

It's official, these guys are absolutely obsessed with homosexuality. I know it's not a new observation, but I don't think even gay people think about gay people as much.

8/15/2011 5:53:35 AM

Aspergus

"It is reasonable to assume that crime of various types would increase if homosexuals are allowed into the military."

Oh, really? Do you have any evidence to back up your outrageous claims? If not, then it would be reasonable to assume that you're just a lying, slandering bigot.

"It is also reasonable to assume more child molestation would take place on military outposts. At present most military families regard base housing as a relatively safe place to raise their children."

Homosexuals are no more a threat to children than heterosexuals.

"If homosexuals are allowed into the military, base housing may no longer be perceived as safe for children. If the morale of military families collapses, the moral of the armed forces as a whole will likewise be devastated"

If bigoted fundy families perceive homosexuals as a threat to their morale, then they're the ones with the problem. And, if you ask me, I think unfounded bigotry would do more damage to the military's morale than the prospect of allowing open gays in the military.

8/15/2011 5:55:49 AM



It is reasonable to assume...

No, no it's not.

It is also reasonable to assume...

Again, no it's not.

You know what happens when one practices to assume: it makes an "ass out of U and me."

But in this case, just you.

8/15/2011 5:57:54 AM

Doubting Thomas

The major flaw in that idea is that gays aren't necessarily pedophiles.

8/15/2011 6:13:13 AM

Giveitaday

It is reasonable to assume that crime of various types would increase if homosexuals are allowed into the military.

And why is such an assumption "reasonable"? There exists no credibled data whatsoever that homosexuals are any more likely to commit criminal actions than heterosexuals. Moreover, this is the very same bullshit arguement that bigots much like yourself made against integrating blacks into the army, it was an outright lie then, and it remains so today.

It is also reasonable to assume more child molestation would take place on military outposts.

Again,why is such an assumption "reasonable"? Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing, the vast majority of gays are no more attracted to chidren than you are, and there exists no data to the contrary. Children are far morelikely to be molested by a heterosexual pedopile.

At present most military families regard base housing as a relatively safe place to raise their children. If homosexuals are allowed into the military, base housing may no longer be perceived as safe for children.

And yet there have been homosexuals allowed in the military for over a decade under DADT and that has not happened, a fact which soundly disproves your assertion.

8/15/2011 6:29:12 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Why would it be reasonable to assume any of this? Especially considering that there are already gay people in the military!

8/15/2011 6:42:12 AM

LDM

You know, if I was gay, I'd start suing these fundies for slander. This whole homosexuality = pedophilia argument is getting old, has been disproved time and again, and as the sibling/friend of numerous gays, it makes my blood boil. They get just as outraged over child molestation cases as the rest of us, and would go to the ends of the earth to protect children from sick perverts. One of them is even a licensed foster parent, opening her home up to children abused by their heterosexual parents.

Enough already. This has got to stop. At least be man enough to have a valid argument, with evidence you can actually produce to back it up.

8/15/2011 6:44:09 AM

Dan Onymous

Hahahaha! I love the way this one throws around the word 'reasonable' as if it understands what the word means.

8/15/2011 6:52:37 AM

JSS

You know that would probably happen regardless of whether or not gays enlist while closeted. Since many have enlisted while closeted as DADT would prohibit them from doing otherwise, and seeing as how you don't hear of the cases you insist would happen, methinks this claim, and well, anything else you've written is...


8/15/2011 6:55:12 AM

Panz

You know, there have always been gays in the military, right?
DADT only meant they weren't allowed to say anything about it, but they were still in the military, right?

8/15/2011 6:56:59 AM

Xotan

They are there already, so it is not reasonable to assume anything of the kind. And btw, only bigots assert that homosexuality has anything to do with paedophilia.

8/15/2011 7:01:56 AM

John

It is reasonable to assume that crime of various types would increase if homosexuals are allowed into the military. It is also reasonable to assume more child molestation would take place on military outposts.

Only if by "it is reasonable to assume", you mean "I'm pulling it out of my ass to assume".

8/15/2011 7:04:08 AM

breakerslion

Methinks John Eidsmoe had a very cruel nickname in his school years, and it has twisted his shriveled-up raisin of a mind permanently.

8/15/2011 7:20:57 AM

N. De Plume

Oh, the old “Homosexuals are child molesters” argument again? *yawn*

Normally this doesn’t merit a response, but the bit about “bases may no longer be perceived as safe” bit bugs me. Namely ‘cause this asshole doesn’t understand that whether or not it is perceived as safe has little bearing on whether or not it actually is safe. Perceptions and reality disagree far more often than we like to think.

8/15/2011 7:32:32 AM



@ John Eidsmoe:
Are we back on the old "all gays are pedophiles" thing again? That one's really old, dude. Please come up with new arguments.

8/15/2011 7:39:34 AM

cdcdrr

Your case is about as solid and believeable as that of the soldier's wife who claims she simply walks into doors a lot.

8/15/2011 8:00:26 AM

freako104

How are those reasonable? Do you have statistics and citations?

8/15/2011 8:40:41 AM

dionysus

The Fundie Standard Dictionary:

Reasonable (adj.)

1) Some shit I just came up with which, nonetheless, I expect to be taken seriously

2) Anything that supports my preconceived notions, biases, and hatreds even if it has no connection to reality

3) Anything in the Bible i.e. talking snakes, talking donkeys, the Sun standing still, zombie saints walking around Israel which nobody seemed to notice. Contrast with unreasonable i.e. populations reproducing with constant variation and given a crap-ton of time will eventually produce large differences.

8/15/2011 8:44:07 AM

farpadokly

Anyone dumb enough to wanna be in the military should be allowed in- Bill Hicks.

8/15/2011 9:15:37 AM

nazani14

Yet another armchair warrior who has never been near a military base, and certainly never spoken with a real, live MP.

8/15/2011 9:27:28 AM
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